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umpjim Sat Jul 24, 2010 08:41pm

How do they know not to call a balk.
 
Glimpsed Gustavo Chavin of the Astros tonite and bit my tongue at first look. After watching a while I could talk myself out of the balk. He even has a different set with R2. My video won't show that.
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johnnyg08 Sat Jul 24, 2010 09:33pm

Good video clip. It would be tough to not balk.

ozzy6900 Sat Jul 24, 2010 09:44pm

Sorry, I did not see a balk at all.

Mrumpiresir Sat Jul 24, 2010 09:56pm

He stopped twice. Balk.

johnnyg08 Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzy6900 (Post 686565)
Sorry, I did not see a balk at all.

Really? You're telling me that if you saw that move for the very first time, you wouldn't say that he set twice? In a way it reminds me of Mussina's...but from the left.

Steven Tyler Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyg08 (Post 686571)
Really? You're telling me that if you saw that move for the very first time, you wouldn't say that he set twice? In a way it reminds me of Mussina's...but from the left.

In the real world, a balk.

In the MLB world, not a balk.

BTW-That is in no way, shape or form compared to what Mike Mussina did while in the set position....:rolleyes:

umpjim Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:04pm

The way I talked myself out of it was while stretching and coming to a stop above around the head his leg was continuously (well maybe not) moving or twitching to the to the set position. Once you see it once you can ignore it and obviously nobody is running on the first stop. It's a different game than the one we are calling exceopt maybe for ozzy6900.

mbyron Sun Jul 25, 2010 08:39am

If they're going to balk the twitching legs after F1 comes set, they better give him credit for the twitching as he's coming set. The video clearly supports the umpires' ruling of no balk there.

Rich Ives Sun Jul 25, 2010 09:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrumpiresir (Post 686568)
He stopped twice. Balk.

No he didn't. He stoppped his hands twice, but during the first hand stop he kept other body parts moving. He didn't get the total stop until the glove was at his waist.

dash_riprock Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:02am

He does it every time.
It's part of his natural motion.
He's not deceiving anyone.
No other ump has called it.

Nevertheless, I don't have a balk either.

Mrumpiresir Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:15am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 686584)
No he didn't. He stoppped his hands twice, but during the first hand stop he kept other body parts moving. He didn't get the total stop until the glove was at his waist.

Disagree. He comes to a total stop at 003, and again sets. Apparently the MLB umpires are letting him get away with it but in a HS or Legion game I'm balking him every time.

johnnyg08 Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:16am

Just because you do it every time doesn't necessarily make it legal does it?

Rich Ives Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrumpiresir (Post 686586)
Disagree. He comes to a total stop at 003, and again sets.

Not the way I see it.

mbyron Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:27am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 686588)
Not the way I see it.

At least 4 MLB umpires agree with you. ;)

Tim C Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:51pm

Hmmm,
 
Everything posted by Ozzy, mbyron and dash makes perfect sense in MLB.

There is no way the video shows a complete stop (not good enough detail without filling in your own opinion).

This would never be called a balk at any upper level.

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