Babe Ruth coach KOs umpire
 

The incident:
Vallejo Babe Ruth coach ousted after allegedly KO'ing ump - Vallejo Times Herald

The follow-up:
Vallejo Babe Ruth coach Davis turns self in, booked for assault - Vallejo Times Herald

This happened about 20 miles from where I live. The umpire and I work for the same high school association (I'm softball only, our group covers both sports) and his name is familiar, but I can't put a face with the name.

They should stand this coach at first base and let Jake Arrieta throw pick-off throws at him:)

Vallejo...I am truly shocked. :rolleyes:

The only time I've been involved in a game where the umpire crew needed a police escort from the field to the freeway involved a Vallejo team that lost.

Turned himself in???

Where were the witnesses? This guy got to leave the scene?

Wow!

We all have moments of utter lunacy that we need to handle in order to do this marvelous job.

But when a human animal playing a coach attacks one of us--and I include any sports official--it is a crime of a greater scope than a simple assault on an everyday citizen. An assault on an officer is treated that way, so should this. Good grief! Sucker-punching an umpire?!?!? He was knocked cold.

That guy is an example of the sickness in the minds of so many baseball parents in America today. They think that a game or a tournament played at age 12 or 13 carries some significance, and they lose their souls to it. I have never really accepted how these people could have been led to believe that these games mean so very much to their sons' magnificent ascent to the big leagues.

We never tell our sons that they won't make the big leagues, or we'll derail their young lives. A lofty goal is good, because it still leaves you at a higher place if you even try. That's why so many adults actually believe it is possible. These parents have virtually no idea what it takes for a player to make it to the big leagues, and if they did, they wouldn't believe their son had the chance, and they wouldn't behave as uproariously as we all know they can.

I will follow this one to see if this animal gets nailed to the wall, or if they bury it.

Let's all lend our thoughts to that umpire. Getting knocked cold like that can cause life-altering injuries. I hope he's one of the lucky ones and has no lasting effects. He has the support of thousands and thousands of umpires that he doesn't even know about.

(I have no idea what group, if any, provided the umpires for the game in question. There are many overlapping groups in this area.)

I am a newish member of the same HS group (BB only). I do many JV games at Wilson Park. I carry a phone in my back pocket, with the direct local PD number set on speed dial (for any location I am at). There was a time, before the City of Vallejo declared bankruptcy, where the PD routinely had an officer patrolling in the area - if not actually walking the park - during most games. (Have an acquaintance or two who work/worked for VPD.) On the other hand, I have NEVER felt in danger during a HS game at that location. The HS assignor works closely with the local schools which helps make sure problem coaches are dealt with.

While umpires should not be in shock, fans, even in Vallejo, were certainly not prepared to deal with battery (such as detaining the suspect), and a fair (majority?) percentage would simply not want to get involved. Being BR, it is a near certainty the suspect is a dad, relative, or close friend of a player, making the person easy to find.

Now that I am calm and reasonable, and being that I am somewhat familiar with lovely Vallejo, California, I was starting to imagine more of the picture, using the patience born of that calm state, and it's much easier to imagine how this coward snaked his way out of there.

I've done games in East Los Angeles and South Central Los Angeles (the southern equivalent of Vallejo and Richmond), and once had an off-duty cop carry my partner and me on a cart from the car to the diamond and wait there like a game administrator. Then, at game's end, he took us to the car and waited with us until we left the area. It always worked out when I went into the inner-city, but it gets a little hairy if you think about it too much.

It's an outrage that the climate can be so harsh for us at times.

Coach Knocks Out Umpire In Teen Baseball Game - cbs13.com

VALLEJO, Calif. (CBS13) ―

A youth baseball coach is facing assault charges after allegedly knocking out an umpire during an argument over a close play during a game.

The umpire, who asked not to be identified by CBS13, said he was overseeing an All-Star Babe Ruth League baseball game between Sonoma and Vallejo when he called a player out at first base.

Vallejo's first base coach, 42-year-old David Davis, was allegedly furious and struck the umpire.

"I heard my head explode, and that's the last thing I remember," the umpire said. "There's still a whirlpool in my head. I'm still dizzy, my jaw still hurts, my teeth are cracked."

Witnesses said the attack stunned the crowd.

"I've never seen anything like this. He just hauled off and punched the guy," said Carol Forman. "Even though everybody wants to win… it's just a game."

The umpire was rushed to the emergency room for treatment. Vallejo's team was eliminated from the tournament for the assault.

CBS13 was not able to contact Davis at his home for comment.

The victim is still recovering from his injuries but said he plans to return to the field next year for his 27th season as an umpire.

The Solano County District Attorney's office has filed an assault charge against Davis.

I guess umpires in Solano County need to start carrying a tazer in one ball bag and a can of OC spray in the other. :mad:

Simply execrable. Too bad we don't do public caning here. It would have a salubrious effect on our behavior and general civility.

There is no excuse, reason/yes
 

I know I'll get blasted for this......
As a umpire. Having had the pleasure of doing ages from the youngest of youth to the NCAA level. And now having a daughter playing travel softball and a boy playing travel baseball. I have come to the conclusion after seeing some of the officiating there is no excuse for anyone to attack an umpire or official but there are many times the officials deserve to be attacked. Excuse/no. Reason/yes.

You should get BLASTED for these comments.

baseball is only a GAME. If a team (includes coaches / players) gets hosed so what.

What's going to happen when these "people" have a job and the boss "hoses" them. Going to "attack the boss".

I have umpired some horid games. Coaches / players make mistakes. What's one of the cardinal rules of baseball.

NEVER make the 1st or third out at third base. I have done many a game this year in which that happened. Simply terrible baseball.

The coach in this OP should receive a visit from "Uncle Vinny" who will have a "nice chat" with this coach who after the "chat" will not be able to coach again. "say hello to my little friend"

Pete Booth

Kevin,

Probably one of two things, and most likely a combination of both:
1. They were more worried about the umpire.
2. No one wanted to try to stop someone that just knocked out an innocent person.

There were enough witnesses to get the identification of the coach. Either way, he was going to get arrested for it.

Already has been. Turned himself in and was booked for battery against a sports official. Facing a possible $2,000 fine and/or 12 months in the pokey.

Deserve to be attacked? For not calling a game to the fans' or coaches' expectations?

It would be a great pleasure for all officials in all sports if you gave up trying to be one of us. You aren't. And you never will be.

You're just another dickhead fanboy masquerading as a sports official!

Awesome! 2 bonus words in 1 sentence!

Don't you mean two bonus words in one post?

No blasting from me, just an offer to come out of retirement and offer you some much needed counseling.

If you believe any officiating is deserving of physical violence, you need help. PM me and we'll set up some sessions.

Tell ya what.... why don't you tell your partner this before each and every game that you work.

When the David Davis' of the world are cold cocking you, see if you get any help.

Go back to yelling at umpires while watching your kids' games.

And - for what it's worth - our assigner is going to be doing everything in his power to make sure Mr. Davis never steps foot on a baseball diamond again.

No, no, no, he should have to hand rake and hand line the field every day for the next 20 years. Even when it rains (and especially when there is lightning):D

Really? :confused: Not an umpire but rather a basketball official, but I have never EVER seen a game where any sports official "deserves to be attacked."

This is really up there as one of the stupidest comments I've ever read on this board.

Deserve to be attacked??!! Really?

You think you're going to get blasted? No, not at all. You're simply going to have the basis and content of your post aptly described: Your statement is absolutely imbecilic.

If you're not joking, then it is other things as well---none of them good.

Take a guess what kind of guy makes imbecilic statements.

What everyone means to say is.....your are one of the idiot sick ones!!

I'm surprised your assignor thinks it's going to take a lot of his power.

unbelieveable.
 

you are right, you should be blasted....never before have I ever read a bigger piece of crap than this....no one EVER deserves to be attacked for officiating a game.....

This has to be the absolute stupidest thing EVER posted on this board - and the competition's pretty tough.

What a moron.

JM

Moron, huh?

I think he's an imbecile!

There is NEVER a reason to assault ANYBODY. Early in my life a co-worker who served time after killing a man in a fight over something meaningless, told me, "Never get into a fight unless you are willing to kill. Because you might just get a "lucky punch" and finish him off."

As a former coach I had to endure many bad calls. Never did I lose control and often reminded my team, "Whomever told you life is fair, lied to you!!"

With all that said, I recently had to question the motives of my partner during a recent game. :(

He called the final out of the game (I truly thought the runner was safe "by a mile") on a play that probably would've sent the game into extra innings. We'd had a long day doing numerous games. (note to assignors, my opinion; anything more than 2-games/day reduces quality) I drove home that night feeling the last out was called because my partner was tired. This cost the team involved a chance at the championship. Their coaches and their team's fans couldn't believe the call and almost lost control. I didn't discuss the call with my partner and we got to our cars and left quickly .

As a former coach, this kind of validates some of the calls my teams had to endure. I always hated playing the host team at any tourney, or being the last game of a long day. If the ump doing our game said it was going to be his 4th game that day.......I warned my team to expect that any close call on the bases, would be out and expect bad calls on 3rd strikes. Our pitchers learned to use that to their advantage.:)

As a former coach, parent and now as an umpire I truly know how emotionally involved everybody is after 8-9 hrs of hard competition. Most can control their emotions. No excuse for those who can't. Parent, player, coach or official.

Thanks for letting me vent.

From the article: "Vallejo's team was eliminated from the tournament for the assault."

Why punish a bunch of kids because one of their coaches is an idiot? Sure, this guy should be ejected, arrested, fined, jailed, barred from coaching, whatever. But by what rule would you declare a forfeit?

Its common sense. Just like you can forfeit a game if you eject a coach and he refuses to leave.

I thinking a tournament rule calls for the penalty.

It puts the onus on each organization to make sure that they have the right people coaching.

A swing and a miss for Vallejo.

Before you highlight portions of a post please consider highlighting all of the relevant portions of the post. Like the part where I typed "there is no excuse". And until you know me and speak to me and possible understand the reasons for the post keep your opinion of what I may or may not be to yourself.

:eek:

Okay, here is the only relevant part I was addressing:

As much as you think stating that there is "no excuse" makes the above statement acceptable, it does not. The fact that you believe that officials, at any time, DESERVE to be attacked speaks volumes.

As a retired professional, I would interested in seeing how consistent your belief is; that is, does it carry over into other situations and groups of individuals?

For instance, would you say that while there is no excuse for beating one's wife, you believe there are those who deserve it?

Or, would you say that while there is no excuse for child abuse, you believe there are those who deserve it?

Did you, as a youth, torture or otherwise abuse small animals?

My offer of counseling is still on the table. PM me and we'll arrange a schedule. I'd guess about three years should handle it.

1) You post an opinion on a public board and then you object when people disagree and post their opinion?? :confused: :confused:

2) I read all of what you said and at best you did a poor job of making your point.

I like the part best where Davis claims he was defending himself....

My opinion after reading your original post is that you shouldn't be allowed to call yourself a sports official. You're nothing but a scumbag..and I'll share that opinion with everybody that I know ...or don't know. And you know what? After reading what you wrote, everybody that I shared it with will sureashell agree with me about what you are.


"There are many times that officials DESERVE to be attacked"?????

You're one sad, sick l'il dude.:rolleyes:

That simply slays me. I say again, the common weal would be well served if this poltroon was caned publicly.

I said your point of view was imbecilic. It was. The notion that a common sports official deserves being attacked is preposterous. I chose imbecilic, because it's a kinder, gentler term than some others that apply to your viewpoint.

And you have the temerity to make a statement like that and then come back at us and tell us what to do and plead that knowing you is somehow relevant when it comes to branding you and your statement. Wow!

You showed your level with that absurd post. You go down from there when you come back and defend it.

Bandit: "... there are many times the officials deserve to be attacked."

You wrote that!

And it is indefensible.

I think we should have just ignored the troll.

+1 No need to fuel the fire. Its useless to argue with this kinda person.