Dodgers/Padres...Rule 8.06
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The manager didn't have a chance to be warned...from what I saw, he was probably a step off of the circle, Broxton asked him a question, and he turned around to answer it.
Tough. Human nature says, I'm going to turn around and answer the question. |
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"The rules are the rules," Mattingly admitted. "Obviously at that point, it's my responsibility to know not to turn and take a step off. He [home-plate umpire Adrian Johnson] just said, 'No, no, no.' I didn't realize I was off."
If I'm reading 8.06(d) right, shouldn't Mattingly have been ejected and Broxton allowed to face the current batter? |
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They also have the manager ejected only after having been warned that the second visit is prohibited. The ejection is mainly for ignoring the warning, not for the second, prohibited visit. |
So by rule, Broxton should've been allowed to face the next batter, then been taken out unless the next hitter was a pinch hitter that came up after he entered the game as F1?
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By rule, they should have REQUIRED Broxton pitch to the next batter.
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I suppose all participants in a mound meeting should stand on the grass in the future to avoid this scenario from repeating itseld..........;) |
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Here's the entire MLBUM interp.
I'll take some time to type out what's written in the MLBUM to alleviate any potential confusion. 7.12 Trips to the Mound A second trip to the mound to remove the pitcher in the same inning by a manager or coach will cause that pitcher's removal from the game. The manager or coach is prohibited from making a second visit to the mound while the same hitter is at bat, but if a pinch hitter is substituted for this batter, the manager or coach may then make a second visit to the mound, but must then remove the pitcher. For the purpose of this rule, a batter's time at bat begins the moment the previous batter is put out or becomes a base runner A trip to the mound begins when the manager or coach crosses the foul line. The trip ends when the manager or coach leaves the 18 foot circle surrounding the pitcher's rubber. A consequence of the rule regarding trips to the mound is that once a manager or coach has completed a trip to the mound, the pitcher then pitching must continue pitching to the batter then at bat (or retire the side) unless a pinch hitter is substituted or unless one of the following situations applies: a. If a game becomes suspended during a manager's or coach's trip to the mound (or after the trip but while the same batter is still at bat), a new pitcher may be substituted when the game is later resumed. b. If a rain delay occurs during a manager's or coach's trip to the mound (or after the trip but while the same batter is still at bat), a new pitcher may be substituted when the game is resumed following the rain delay. |
The rule says manager is removed from the game as is the pitcher.
Not ejected from the game. There is a difference. |
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Dodgers/Padres...Rule 8.06
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the manager shall be removed from the game and the pitcher required to pitch to the batter until he is retired or gets on base. After the batter is retired, or becomes a base runner, then this pitcher must be removed from the game. |
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There's no procedure comparable to substitution for coaches or managers. That leaves ejection. |
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When the rule states anyone is to be removed from the game (not by manager's choice) that is the same as ejection. Forced is another appropriate verb here. Maybe ejection only means physically ejected into the air landing somewhere out of the field of play?:rolleyes:
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you can remove a coach by restricting him to the dugout. He can't comeback on the field for any reason except for an injury. |
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When have you ever seen a major league manager restricted to the dugout? Remember, we are speaking of OBR, rules written and owned by Major League Baseball. |
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Please tell me you're kidding. JM |
They should be consistent though and use the term "eject" instead of "remove" that can have several meanings...in fact the MLBUM term uses remove, not eject too.
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He's also wrong. Restricting a coach to the dugout is NOT removing him from the game, since he can continue to perform most coaching functions from there. |
Remove - not the same as eject
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Doesn't happen that often - but it did to me once. Walt |
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You do understand that we are discussing a Major League situation, right? |
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He posts more on another board, and I'm quite confident he is not a troll. He may not be a "rules guru", but he strikes me as someone who is serious about improving his knowledge and his umpiring. JM |
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You are correct in your assessment. I am not a rules guru. I have been doing this less than a year. But I am always on the boards trying to learn and I always have a rules book with me and I do read it. I have moved up in our organization rapidly. The Restriction thing was an idea i threw out there. Not a good idea :( I still say there is a difference between Removing and Ejecting but don't know how you would remove a coach without ejection so ejection it is! |
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For the mamager / coach, there's no such thing as "removal" that's different from "ejection" (except maybe in post-game administration / penalties administered by the league). |
I was speaking to the ejection/removal of the manager.
Last night one AA umpire explained his opinion: "Removal is done only verbally, ejection is signalled physically along with the verbal. Nothing else is different." |
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