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Rain-outs and reschedules
Just wanted to run a situation by the board that happened to me this weekend in which I don't think was handled approprietly by my assignor and in which I lost out on $45 and my partner $70.
My original schedule was Sr. legion tourny DH friday night, 3 inning continuation and full 7 adult league game on Saturday in the early evening. My Friday games were washed out due to rain and rescheduled for the next morning. These were the opening games of the tournament. My assignor removed me from these Sr. Legion games because the following day, I had 1.5games in the evening. My arguement and beef comes from the fact that Friday night Team A was playing Team B (Game #1) and Team C vs. Team D (Game #2) and that they have to play these games in this order because of the league tourny, and therefore, because its would be the same game, it still is rightfully mine. My arguement is that even though I had the games in the evening on Saturday, all 4 games (orginal two from Fri, and the 2 adult games) are my right to work and I should be able to choose which ones I work. My assignor said that I don't get the Sr. Legion games, the rescheduled ones, becuase he already assigned two other umpires to work games on the next morning at the times that the Friday games were being made up. (games starting at 10a and noon) My arguement to that was they were assigned to games not times and they should be moved to the later games they were originally assigned to (Game #5 and #6). In essence, each crew is bumped later just like the bracket. Like I said earlier, this ended up costing me $45, and it shouldn't be about the money, but right now I'm working PT in my real job and looking to move, so every little bit helps. Thoughts? |
Maybe it was easier to just cancel the two games then reschedule four. I used to assign and depending on how many games I had on the schedule for a given day, (sometimes as many as 40-50 on a sat.), I wasn't about to rearrange my whole schedule the night before.
If it wasn't about the money you would not have chosen to vent here. I may have found other games for you at a later time and let you know that, but believe me, assigning for a busy association is just about the worst job in the world. |
Let it go. What is the point of burning a bridge with someone that assigns you games?
-Josh |
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Peace |
There are no hard and fast rules for how these things are handled. It's a local issue.
All I know is that since I don't work for one assignor, my willingness to take games from anyone doing scheduling depends on how they handle situations like this. For example, if I drive to a field, I expect to get full pay for a game regardless of whether (1) the field is not playable or (2) the weather's poor and they push the decision off until we're there to "help" them with it or (3) the teams simply don't show up and they forgot to cancel the umpiring. In many places there are a shortage of people willing to work in the summer, so the assignors better treat their people well. |
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Sometime, you will get a call to go work games you weren't scheduled for because it rained the night before. It all evens out. |
Your assignment is for a specific date, time, and location. It's not yours after that.
Let me ask you this question.... If "your" game was rained out and rescheduled for the next day.... a day that you had blocked due to a prior commitment, would you think it reasonable for the assignor to demand that you work "your" game? Of course you wouldn't.... |
Our rule is that if it was originally your game, you get 24 hours to reaccept your game unless it's super short notice and the assigner simply needs to get the game filled. After that, or if you're already scheduled for a different game or blocked, then obviously you lose the game.
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Unless I absolutely have to, there is no way I'm having one of my guys work 3.5 games in a day. That's just asking for problems. |
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I think someone else made a good point that you are scheduled for a time and date, not necessarily a game. I know that the guy who assigns the varsity games for the primary conference I work in usually reassigns you rainouts if you don't have the date blocked. My varsity game got rained out tonight and the AD told me they are going to try and make it up tomorrow, but I haven't heard from the assigner yet so it could be he gave the game to someone else. If so, I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I picked up someone else's rainout earlier this year so I probably break even over time. It sucks to lose out on a payday but such is the life of a baseball umpire. That's one thing (of many) that makes me prefer officiating basketball. Unless there is a major snowstorm and the schools are closed, you always play. |
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You accepted two games at 10am and noon, knowing you had something else to do in the afternoon. The assignor calls you the evening before and advises you that "your" games were moved to 2pm and 4pm because of rain-outs. You advise the assignor that you can't do that, so you're out of two games. In my association, games (especially in the summer) are scheduled by location and time. If the game gets canceled, you're out the game -- you don't automatically get rescheduled the new date and time. If you're available the next afternoon, you should call the assignor and ask if there are any open games -- if the games were rescheduled to that time you're available, you MIGHT get the games again. |
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I've filled games with other crews in the OP's situation. Mainly when I wasn't able to reach the original umpires right away or when knew that filling the later games would be much harder than simply finding a new crew to work the rescheduled games. In the real world, I'm not assigning people to 4 games a day unless I have to. That said, I worked 7 games a few Saturdays ago and it was quite the experience.:) |
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When you mention "sliding" two hours, you're saying that your assignor would expect you to take a game at 8pm if you previously accepted a 6pm game? That seems a little extreme. Plus, in the OP, you're taking a 10am and noon start, and having them move to later in the day. That's at least 4 hours (if the third game was at 2pm). To expect umpires to work with that is, at the least, crazy. I accept games based on the day and time, not the teams playing -- ESPECIALLY in a tournament situation. |
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This is a two way street. If, in the OP, he wants "his" games, then he must be available for any time or date that his game is rescheduled. If he fails to honor the reschedule, then the assignor has cause for action against the umpire. We all know that's not the way it works, nor should it. |
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agreed...............1000%...you have no right to games canceled and rescheduled....hopefully you can be available to work those...but an assignment is a game on a specific day........if it cancels or reassigns its not yours anymore.... |
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The ONLY time that happens is when I call in for a game. The assignor automatically places me in the game, and it's automatically accepted. I don't know if he does it or it's done automatically, but I don't have to approve those games -- in effect, my phone conversation where I say "Sure, I'll take it" is enough. They've NEVER done that for games in the future -- those HAVE to be approved, as well as any changes to the game (other than changes to umpires). Having your organization automatically approve your games is dangerous for you and them. What if you can't make that game? |
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If I have a date open and haven't been assigned a game for that day within about 4-5 days, I'll usually go in and block it if I've had a busy week and don't want to work that day. Quote:
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You can't decline whenever you want. You get an email for new games and have 24-72 hours (depending on the time until the game) to accept or decline. If you don't respond, it's the same as declining (game removed and time auto-blocked). Once you accept a game, you have to call to get it removed, and usually for a turn-back fee. |
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Weekends are the roughest for assignors meaning many many games. Once the assignor has ALL games on the weekend covered UNLESS someone gets sick or has an emergency the schedules are "LOCKED" as it is very difficult to change things on "a dime" notice. It's unfortuante that your DH was washed on Friday but that's the breaks. If your assignor moved you to the Legion games, he would then have to find umpires to do your games. Not easy on the weekends. The assignor has a "life" to and you cannot expect him to be on the phone all Friday night trying to get someone to replace you and your partner for Saturday's night resumed game and normal game. Also, giving you and your partner 3.5 games (The 2 legion games plus 3 innings of a resumed game plus 7 of a new game) is not fare to the other umpires who were scheduled as they would be out 2 games. Also, 3.5 or 4 games in a day is rough. If you work many games throughout the year for the most part things will or should "even out" over the coarse of the year. Example: Next week comes and for sake of argument the assignor has 4 single games and 1 Double Dip. Since your games on Friday got rained out he might give your crew that lost out the Double Dip next week to make up for it. NOTE: If you become a complainer and pain in the a** to an assignor it is an easy way to the s**t list meaning you will get the games nobody wants. I know things are tough but the assignor has NO control over the weather. Pete Booth |
When I'm assigned summer tournament games, they are times and locations. The assigner fills all games the same way. Obviously, if tournament games are washed out, and must be played, everything gets pushed EXCEPT the umpire assignments. That leaves the assigner only games at the end of the tournament to fill. My assigner always calls the crew that lost games and gives them first shot at the open slots.
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In our association we get a Rain fee if it gets rained out. If we get the game started and 1 pitch is thrown then we get the Full game fee. If we get a call on our way to the game that it is canceled then no fee. They have up to 30 minutes before game time to call and cancel. If the game is canceld it doesn't mean we get the games on the resched. |
Wow, once we're on our way, it's 1/2 fee at that point.
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Rainouts are often a blessing when you get a little older and not doing this for the money.
Rescheduled game is assigner problem, not mine, unless he assigns me. Let me know game cancelled before I left home or work = no pay Left home or work = 1/2 game fee Put the ball in play = full game fee 1 team does not show up = full game Assigner messed up and forgot to tell game cancel = no pay, sorry, try to make it up to you down the road |
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How do you pull that one off?
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