Arguing balls and strikes?
 

In an NCAA game, the umpire had obviously been making questionable calls behind the plate. The home team coach went to the umpire and confronted him about the "bad calls" he'd been making throughout the game.

This coach has a reputation for "in your face" arguing with umpires, and has been ejected many times. In fact, as a fan, I feel that the coach hasn't finished his "job" with the umpire until he succeeds in getting himself ejected. The fans usually cheer him when he finally does get ejected.

On this one occasion, the umpire warned him, and the coach replied, "I didn't argue a SINGLE PITCH!"

It was either this occasion, or another time, when the coach asked the umpire, "How come you never call the third strike?"

I don't remember the outcome of this argument.

There was another occasion where the umpire sent him to the dugout after an argument and refused to talk to him. Later, he approached the umpire from the dugout. The umpire said, "STOP! Not one more step!" The coach said, "This is about something else!" He took one more step, and the umpire tossed him.

Comments, please?

My first question is ... how do you know all of this? Were you the umpire? Coach? Someone close enough to hear all this?

And define "obviously questionable".

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Is there a question in there somewhere?

"This coach has a reputation for "in your face" arguing with umpires, and has been ejected many times. In fact, as a fan, I feel that the coach hasn't finished his "job" with the umpire until he succeeds in getting himself ejected. The fans usually cheer him when he finally does get ejected."

Sportsmanship at its finest...if he wants to be dumped...dump him. :D

Comments about what?

This must have been the same plate umpire that you witnessed overruling the base umpire on an attempted steal of second base.

Not the same umpire. However, I know that the "overruling" umpire wears glasses at his day job. (They might be for reading).

I was a fan, and attended many home games over the past several years. Sometimes I could hear the actual words that were said, especially if they were shouted loudly enough.

I, for one, am still not clear on what, if anything, you are asking in this thread.

Comment: There must not be any accountability for this coach if he can get ejected repeatedly and still be coaching.

Comment: If it happens regularly, you really can't blame the umps in any given game; he's lost the credibility required for that.

None of this sounds "real" to me... for various reasons. Umpires at the NCAA level aren't going to waste their time catering to this nonsense. I seriously doubt your ability to determine whether the umpire was making questionable ball-strike calls or not, regardless of where you were sitting. And if he's ejected this often, he's not going to last long at that level.

Also, Umpires at the NCAA level are not going to "sent him to the dugout after an argument and refused to talk to him". Either he's ejected or he's not - there's no seatbelt rule in college. And no umpire at the NCAA level would ever say, "STOP! Not one more step!"

All of that said... we're all still wondering if you had a question, or were just looking to gripe.

He's been coaching for many years, and has set career records for his team victories.

As for his tendancies for arguing, I've seen him actually WIN arguments several times.

Was this a day game or a night game?

Can you describe one for us? I'm not sure I've EVER seen a coach "win" an argument... the closest might be when a coach comes out and says, "I think you may have missed a pulled foot there - can you go ask for help?" But that's not really an argument ... nor is it "winning". Examples please?

What level of NCAA is this anyway? The umpires you describe don't sound like NCAA umpires to me.

Finally, a question to answer! :D

On your first point, you've just described Coach Shoshovitski, who for all intents and purposes could probably run Duke U from his office. No accountability for the way they treat officials. In my view, it speaks poorly of their character.

As for your second point, I'll look forward to your reply to mbcrowder's question.

Bobby Cox

Baloney.....

You pulled this same thing in your "override call" thread.

http://forum.officiating.com/basebal...ride-call.html


You were asked "what teams and when" for the purpose of finding video to support your claim.

You disappeared for two weeks and start this thread in the same manner...


Don't feed the troll.

It's in the Sunbelt Conference. Not sure what "level" that is.

Cases of arguments won: One involving a hit batsman/foul ball situation. I don't remember the details, but the call was reversed after an umpire conference. Another time, the umpire failed to see a play made at third base. After the coach argued with him, the umpires conferred, and then they signaled that the out was made at third. In each case, the coach argued fiercely, "in his face".

Oh yea now I remember, those were both night games.

Not sure about y'all ... but I'm way past, "Yeah, ok, whatever" on this one.

So time to name names
 

Sunbelt is D1. I went to MTSU as a student and broadcast the baseball games on radio. They were in the OVC at that time. So who are we talking about? Time to name teams and coaches.

Kittrell, USA Jaguars. He gets hot-tempered sometimes, but he has well over 1000 carreer wins.

Guys, the question was preceeded by the question mark, "comments, please?"

The answer is NO, or no response, unless you have some comments.

Do you realize that you are posting on an UMPIRE form?
Do you realize that this coach is a jerk?
Do you realize that umpires do not have to give explanations to coaches?
DO you realize that you appear to no nothing of NCAA rules or rules of baseball in general?

Which apparently gives him the <strike>right </strike>obligation to be an a$$.

bsaucer,

I find your posts on this forum remarkably uninteresting. (Impartial and firm.)

You're welcome. (Courteous.)

JM

It seems to me the question is: Arguing balls and strikes?

Answer: yes, you can. However, you will get dumped.

Next question.

I have a good question - why are we feeding the trolls?