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MD Longhorn Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:45pm

Rules Quiz
 
Just sent a 5 question quiz to a group of people, most of whom are either big baseball fans, baseball or softball coaches, and one baseball league president. So far the best score is 60%, and questions 1 and 5 have only been answered correctly once. I know everyone here will get 100%, but send this out to your coaches / parents / fans that you know and see how they do.

1) True/False: The Hands are part of the Bat.
2) Batter hits a pop-up down the first base line. Pitcher comes over to field it and collides with the batter-runner. Contact was not intentional or malicious on either player’s part. What do you have?
a. Dead ball, batter-runner is out for interference, all runners move up a base.
b. Dead ball, batter-runner is out for interference, all runners return to their original bases.
c. Dead ball, Pitcher is guilty of interference, batter-runner gets first, other runners move up a base if forced.
d. Dead ball, Pitcher is guilty of interference, batter-runner gets first, other runners move up a base.
e. Delayed dead ball, pitcher guilty of obstruction, let the play play out, award bases if necessary.
f. Delayed dead ball, pitcher guilty of obstruction – if ball is fair, BR gets 1st all other runners move up a base; if ball is foul, it’s just a foul ball.
3) Runner on 3rd, Batter walks. Ball immediately thrown back to pitcher and in F1’s control, F1 makes no move or play. Batter-runner rounds first without stopping and makes it to 2nd base. What do you have?
a. Batter-runner is out.
b. Batter-runner is safe.
c. Batter-runner is placed on first base, ball was dead.
4) No outs, runners on first and second. 3rd strike is dropped by the catcher. Batter runs to first as the other two runners attempt to advance. Catcher throws to third baseman, who steps on the bag just before the runner from 2nd slides into 3rd base.
a. How many outs do you now have?
b. Where are there runners on bases?
c. Who are you about to eject? ( :) )
5) 1 out, 2 strikes, runner on first is stealing. Batter swings and the ball hits the batter squarely on the hands. Injured batter crumples to the ground, runner makes it all the way to third as the ball rolls fair. What do you have?
a. Foul ball, runner back to first.
b. Fair ball, play on.
c. Dead ball, batter is out, Runner stays on 3rd.
d. Dead ball, batter is out, Runner back to 1st.
e. Dead ball, batter awarded first base, runner sent back to 2nd base.
f. Batter awarded first base, runner stays on 3rd base.

GA Umpire Tue Jun 15, 2010 01:46pm

The only one which might be tricky is 4(c). More than the DHC may be going after some of the defensive players pop off with their mouth about how wrong they think the umpire is.

jicecone Tue Jun 15, 2010 05:08pm

If you get No. 1 wrong then your answer to No. 5 is probably, the batter is out for abandonment and the runner remains at 3rd.

kylejt Tue Jun 15, 2010 06:09pm

In 2. I'd want to be sure that F1 is the proctected fielder. It might just be F3, and then you might have obstruction looming overhead.

I know these are Umpire 101 questions, but you might have someone in class from Umpire 102.

MD Longhorn Tue Jun 15, 2010 08:03pm

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Originally Posted by jicecone (Post 682074)
If you get No. 1 wrong then your answer to No. 5 is probably, the batter is out for abandonment and the runner remains at 3rd.

Really? So if this hit the bat instead of the hand, you have abandonment here? Why? How can you abandon a base you haven't attained, for one. How can you call it when the player is still on the field and the ball is still fair? I bet you that if all of us work every week for 40 more years, MOST of us will still not have seen a legitimate abandonment call.

DG Tue Jun 15, 2010 08:36pm

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Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 682083)
In 2. I'd want to be sure that F1 is the proctected fielder. It might just be F3, and then you might have obstruction looming overhead.

I know these are Umpire 101 questions, but you might have someone in class from Umpire 102.

Well, considering that 80% score would get you out of Umpire 101 with a B and maybe 60% score might get you out with a D, you might get asked by someone in 102. Otherwise, this is get 'em all right or don't collect the check quiz.

jkumpire Tue Jun 15, 2010 08:44pm

Is this copyrighted?
 
This quiz should be given to all parents of players below 15 years of age at the game site. If they can't get more than 3 right, they should be refused admission to the game, or better yet admitted to a nearby room where they can watch the game on TV.

(As you can tell, I had to deal with a bunch of @$$#$%^&&*((())(*&&^^% parents, two $$%&**(((& coaches and their spoiled brat kids tonight).

jicecone Tue Jun 15, 2010 09:40pm

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 682093)
Really? So if this hit the bat instead of the hand, you have abandonment here? Why? How can you abandon a base you haven't attained, for one. How can you call it when the player is still on the field and the ball is still fair? I bet you that if all of us work every week for 40 more years, MOST of us will still not have seen a legitimate abandonment call.

Whoa!!! Calm down there. Kimo Saby???(sp)? Too many games lately?

"Injured batter crumples to the ground"

I was commenting on how a person with the mentality to get the first answer wrong, could probably answer No. 5 the way I said.

I agree about abandonment and did call it once, in 30 years.

BK47 Thu Jun 24, 2010 02:23pm

ok, here are my answers:
1. T
2. D
3. C
4a. 2
c. myself
5. F

what do I win?

kylejt Thu Jun 24, 2010 02:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BK47 (Post 683227)
ok, here are my answers:
1. T
2. D
3. C
4a. 2
c. myself
5. F

what do I win?

http://visioncoachinginc.com/cms/upl...oach%20hat.jpg

Welpe Thu Jun 24, 2010 02:52pm

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Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 683231)

How about...


http://www.jumpstartmypc.com/blog/wp.../Dunce-Cap.jpg

BK47 Fri Jun 25, 2010 07:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 683231)

LOL Kyle, dont suppose you have a hat that says "Daddy Coach"?

Rufus Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:32pm

Ok, I'll play
 
In the spirit of trying to better educate myself and any other coaches out there:

1. F
2. B
3. B
4a. 1 - I don't think this is a force play since the BR is out since 1st is occupied and there are less than 2 outs - the runners advance at their peril so they need to be tagged out
b. runners on 2nd and 3rd
c. hopefully not me
5. B - and hopefully the catcher isn't a humanitarian who is torn up at the sight of someone writhing in pain and tags the BR out (hey, he's not moving right?).

MD Longhorn Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 683345)
In the spirit of trying to better educate myself and any other coaches out there:

1. F
2. B
3. B
4a. 1 - I don't think this is a force play since the BR is out since 1st is occupied and there are less than 2 outs - the runners advance at their peril so they need to be tagged out
b. runners on 2nd and 3rd
c. hopefully not me
5. B - and hopefully the catcher isn't a humanitarian who is torn up at the sight of someone writhing in pain and tags the BR out (hey, he's not moving right?).

Now if you understand that the hands are NOT part of the bat - how did you get B on number 5? What is the first thing that happens when a pitched ball contacts the batter?

Rufus Fri Jun 25, 2010 01:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 683346)
Now if you understand that the hands are NOT part of the bat - how did you get B on number 5? What is the first thing that happens when a pitched ball contacts the batter?

I guess that's the part the confused me on the question. Since he swung at the pitch I thought that took precedence over the ball making contact with the hands (i.e., if he hadn't swung and the ball hit his hand then that's a dead ball). The ball rolling fair after contact is considered a "hit" for that reason. Apparently that's not correct though.

So it would be a dead ball, BR to 1st, R1 to 2nd?

UmpJM Fri Jun 25, 2010 01:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 683351)
I guess that's the part the confused me on the question. Since he swung at the pitch I thought that took precedence over the ball making contact with the hands (i.e., if he hadn't swung and the ball hit his hand then that's a dead ball). The ball rolling fair after contact is considered a "hit" for that reason. Apparently that's not correct though.

So it would be a dead ball, BR to 1st, R1 to 2nd?

Rufus,

No that's not quite right.

Anytime an untouched pitch hits a batter, the ball is immediately dead.

If the batter swings/offers at a pitch which subsequently hits him (or is hit by a pitch which is in the sstrike zone), the pitch is ruled a strike.

Since the batter already had two strikes, he is out.

Any other runners return to their TOP base.

JM

MD Longhorn Fri Jun 25, 2010 01:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 683351)
I guess that's the part the confused me on the question. Since he swung at the pitch I thought that took precedence over the ball making contact with the hands (i.e., if he hadn't swung and the ball hit his hand then that's a dead ball). The ball rolling fair after contact is considered a "hit" for that reason. Apparently that's not correct though.

So it would be a dead ball, BR to 1st, R1 to 2nd?

No.

First - any time the pitched ball strikes a batter you have a dead ball.
THEN, you rule on what the pitch was.

So if a batter is struck by a pitch while swinging (even in the hands) or is somehow struck by a pitch that's in the strike zone - you have a dead ball, strike. If strike 3, batter's out. Due to the dead ball, no runners advance.

Rufus Fri Jun 25, 2010 01:51pm

Mike and JM - thank you both for the correction. I'll try not to mess it up when coaching in the future.

And I can see how an offensive coach would get kind of hacked off at this rule as well. It makes sense, I think, but they certainly will want to get "something" out of a batter being struck by the ball.

MD Longhorn Fri Jun 25, 2010 03:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 683358)
Mike and JM - thank you both for the correction. I'll try not to mess it up when coaching in the future.

And I can see how an offensive coach would get kind of hacked off at this rule as well. It makes sense, I think, but they certainly will want to get "something" out of a batter being struck by the ball.

Well... Was working 10U rather competitive playoff game some time back. Girl squares to bunt. The pitch (at decent speed for a 10U) came straight at her. She tries to hit it with the bat and missed - and it somehow gets between facemask and top of helmet and hits her square in the face. Blood everywhere. I've already rung her up on 3rd strike before I see exactly where it hit her. Opposing coach and partner both see this and cover their faces knowing what's coming.

After about 10 minutes of crying, etc - I get the pleasant task of telling her that not only can she not go to first, but she's out as well. Not easy.

BK47 Fri Jun 25, 2010 09:47pm

yeah Rufus, all kidding aside, the answer to 5 is D.

first2third Sat Jun 26, 2010 01:24am

D. on Q5

Rufus Sat Jun 26, 2010 07:01pm

1st23rd and BK - thanks again for confirming the answer.

Mike - that's a terrible story and I'm sorry that the player was hurt so badly. No fun for anyone on that call.

waltjp Sat Jun 26, 2010 07:57pm

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Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 683358)
but they certainly will want to get "something" out of a batter being struck by the ball.

If the coach wants to get something I'd suggest ice.

bsaucer Tue Jun 29, 2010 02:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 682093)
I bet you that if all of us work every week for 40 more years, MOST of us will still not have seen a legitimate abandonment call.

I saw an abandonment call in an NCAA game years ago. The third strike was dropped. The batter slowly walked toward the dugout. The umpire followed him. Just as soon as the batter stepped down on the first step, the umpire put his fist up.

The catcher just held the ball and watched.

MD Longhorn Tue Jun 29, 2010 02:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsaucer (Post 683848)
I saw an abandonment call in an NCAA game years ago. The third strike was dropped. The batter slowly walked toward the dugout. The umpire followed him. Just as soon as the batter stepped down on the first step, the umpire put his fist up.

The catcher just held the ball and watched.

I rest my case.

bob jenkins Tue Jun 29, 2010 02:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsaucer (Post 683848)
I saw an abandonment call in an NCAA game years ago. The third strike was dropped. The batter slowly walked toward the dugout. The umpire followed him. Just as soon as the batter stepped down on the first step, the umpire put his fist up.

The catcher just held the ball and watched.

That's not an "abandoment" call (8-5c in NCAA). That's an out under 7-11u.

asdf Tue Jun 29, 2010 03:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsaucer (Post 683848)
I saw an abandonment call in an NCAA game years ago. The third strike was dropped. The batter slowly walked toward the dugout. The umpire followed him. Just as soon as the batter stepped down on the first step, the umpire put his fist up.

The catcher just held the ball and watched.

Same plate umpire that overruled a call at second and told a coach "not one more step".......right????

MD Longhorn Tue Jun 29, 2010 03:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 683852)
That's not an "abandoment" call (8-5c in NCAA). That's an out under 7-11u.

That's why I rested my case.

Rich Ives Tue Jun 29, 2010 06:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsaucer (Post 683848)
I saw an abandonment call in an NCAA game years ago. The third strike was dropped. The batter slowly walked toward the dugout. The umpire followed him. Just as soon as the batter stepped down on the first step, the umpire put his fist up.

The catcher just held the ball and watched.

That's not abandonment. It's a separate rule.

BuggBob Tue Jun 29, 2010 07:03pm

1. F If the hands are part of the bat, drop the bat where are the hands (many times from this fourm)
2. B
3. B
4a. one out
4b. 3rd and 2nd
4c. no one
5. D Sorry kid about your dead ball third strike hope you get better.

Bugg


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