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bsaucer Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:08pm
Override call
 
I saw an NCAA game in which a runner on first tried to steal second. The catcher threw to second. It was a close play. The base umpire signalled "safe!". Immediately, the HP umpire pointed to second base and shouted "HE'S OUT!!!".

Can the HP umpire override a judgement call made by a base umpire? There was no further discussion. He was out. (He looked out to me.)

Rich Ives Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:13pm
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Originally Posted by bsaucer (Post 681845)
I saw an NCAA game in which a runner on first tried to steal second. The catcher threw to second. It was a close play. The base umpire signalled "safe!". Immediately, the HP umpire pointed to second base and shouted "HE'S OUT!!!".

Can the HP umpire override a judgement call made by a base umpire? There was no further discussion. He was out. (He looked out to me.)
I really can't imagine an umpire who's been around long enough to get an NCAA game pulling an "overrule". Something else must have happened.

Perhaps the batter struck out then interferred with the throw to 2B.

waltjp Mon Jun 14, 2010 01:13pm
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Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 681849)
I really can't imagine an umpire who's been around long enough to get an NCAA game pulling an "overrule". Something else must have happened.

Perhaps the batter struck out then interferred with the throw to 2B.
I didn't see the play but interference is a strong possibility.

jdmara Mon Jun 14, 2010 01:32pm
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Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 681849)
I really can't imagine an umpire who's been around long enough to get an NCAA game pulling an "overrule". Something else must have happened.

Perhaps the batter struck out then interferred with the throw to 2B.
1+, this is the only explanation that I can think of. There is no way an umpire at that level will overrule another without some extraneous action

-Josh

txump81 Mon Jun 14, 2010 01:46pm
I am with you Rich. Surely he didn't just overrule his partner. Big time NO NO.

bsaucer Mon Jun 14, 2010 03:08pm
There was no interference call. I saw the play, and would agree with everyone else in the stands that the runner was tagged out at second. It is my guess that the base umpire's view was blocked and he failed to see the tag, while the HP ump had a better view.

waltjp Mon Jun 14, 2010 03:31pm
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Originally Posted by bsaucer (Post 681876)
There was no interference call. I saw the play, and would agree with everyone else in the stands that the runner was tagged out at second. It is my guess that the base umpire's view was blocked and he failed to see the tag, while the HP ump had a better view.
I don't believe it. Where's the video?

MD Longhorn Mon Jun 14, 2010 03:41pm
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Originally Posted by bsaucer (Post 681876)
There was no interference call. I saw the play, and would agree with everyone else in the stands that the runner was tagged out at second. It is my guess that the base umpire's view was blocked and he failed to see the tag, while the HP ump had a better view.
No, this can't be true. HP ump would never decide on his own that he had a "better view". Never. At most, should U2 be convinced he missed something and went to talk to PU, PU would tell him what he saw, and then U2 would decide what to do with the information.

In fact, if this wasn't interference and PU did what you describe here, you have a protestable situation, as there is a RULE that says PU cannot do this.

MrUmpire Mon Jun 14, 2010 03:59pm
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Originally Posted by bsaucer (Post 681876)
There was no interference call. I saw the play, and would agree with everyone else in the stands that the runner was tagged out at second. It is my guess that the base umpire's view was blocked and he failed to see the tag, while the HP ump had a better view.
There is a far more reasonable explanation than an umpire working that level violated a very basic rule.

What game was it?

txump81 Mon Jun 14, 2010 04:01pm
I'm with walt. I want video to watch.

mbyron Mon Jun 14, 2010 09:19pm
Assess the probabilities:

1. NCAA tourney ump goes against decades of training and overrules his partner on a call 122 feet away.

2. The OP missed something.

David B Mon Jun 14, 2010 09:23pm
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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 681935)
Assess the probabilities:

1. NCAA tourney ump goes against decades of training and overrules his partner on a call 122 feet away.

2. The OP missed something.
Yep, this would never happen in any college level ball. Had to be interference by a retired batter or something for PU to make a call.

Thanks
David

johnnyg08 Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:22pm
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Originally Posted by bsaucer (Post 681845)
I saw an NCAA game in which a runner on first tried to steal second. The catcher threw to second. It was a close play. The base umpire signalled "safe!". Immediately, the HP umpire pointed to second base and shouted "HE'S OUT!!!".

Can the HP umpire override a judgement call made by a base umpire? There was no further discussion. He was out. (He looked out to me.)
How many outs? Full count?

I agree w/ the other guys here...no way does PU do as the post states.

archangel Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by bsaucer (Post 681876)
There was no interference call. I saw the play, and would agree with everyone else in the stands that the runner was tagged out at second. It is my guess that the base umpire's view was blocked and he failed to see the tag, while the HP ump had a better view.
Tell us what game and when, we can find the video...


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