Would you eject, #2?
 

FED rules, playoff game. Neighboring association covered this, not that it matters - just making it clear I wasn't in the video! Two rival schools, though, and likely an intense game. Look at the video around 0:35 in - I think it's a botched squeeze play. It appears the runner lowered his body for the contact, not just the shoulder, but the catcher was set up pretty low also. I've almost convinced myself I would not have ejected the runner, just a good hard baseball play - and that's with the benefit of replaying it over and over. However, I might have EJ'd in real time - HTBT. What do you think?

I did sort of like the catcher showing the ball to the runner, but also know that could easily escalate into something bigger.

Weekend Playoffs: Baseball, Softball - Video - WYFF Greenville

Absolutely MC. No slide, no attempt to avoid F2. Gotta go.

I wouldn't even have to think about this one-- definitely an ejection.

Ditto.

I agree , HTBT BUT, from where I am right now, the runner went through the catcher to get to HP.

I have to agree with the majority here. See ya.

Instantaneous ejection for MC. Last time this happened the 3b coach came down and said I did that pretty fast and I said I couldn't have done it fast enough.

I think I got it...definite EJ on this one under FED. Suppose 1) we don't usually see this type of play in FED ball around here and 2) we sometimes see it in Legion and play on. Need to tighten up a bit on my MC - I see where you can't run through the catcher as badly as this in FED. Most of the MC calls I've made in FED are of the throwing arms out into a fielder and are really obvious - plays like this my first instinct is "he is not required to slide and that's just a good hard play." But, in FED, it's more and it's MC. Got it.

Basically fielder has the ball, the runner has to avoid the contact. He can slide or try to go around, but never through.

Agreed. Typically, when the fielder is holding the ball, they'll try to get in a pickle, slide, or run around (which usually results in the out of baseline out)...never usually the sitch in the video.

Oh yeah. That's an easy one. Gone.

This is an easy ejection.

Peace

Gone.

Hate the white shirts.

On the play before the collision, lol at the PU doing the reverse cha cha all the way back from 3B and I sure didn't see him see the runner touch the plate.

Not only is this an ejection in FED games, it would be an ejection in most amateur adult leagues as well. In the OBR-based adult league I work, they use the NCAA FPSR for force plays and a "No Collision" (umpire judgment applies) rule that is strictly enforced by the umpires.

This definitely a MC ejection per NFHS rules.

Monday night MTD, Jr., had a boys' 12U travel league game that uses NFHS rules and had a 12 year old pull a Pete Rose on Ray Fosse play. The player's coach was none to happy about the ejection.

MTD, Sr.

1) The video wouldn't load for me, so I didn't see the specific play.

2) While David's statement is correct, it doesn't mean that the only call for "going through" is MC. MC requires "intent to injure." You could also have plain old, garden variety interference here. (Runner is out, but not ejected).

3) Based on the other comments, the MC (and not just interference) is the correct call in the play presented, but let's not always jump to that conclusion.

Like the creme colored shirts, and that is garden variety malicious contact. R3 hits the road. Quickly.

What if catcher didn't have the ball, obstruction, do you still eject #3??????

Yes. Malicious contact supersedes obstruction.

NFHS Forum: Is this malicious?

go tell these guys Welpe!

Go back to the other board, troll.

Anyone see the nice job of removing the mask by the PU in the sequence following the obvious ejection?

[QUOTE=scarolinablue;676605]Are you CERTAIN they played by FED rules?


In watching the video neither the player or F2 said anything to one another which is a good thing. Normally when something like that happens both players would "get into it" but that type of play on the surface seems "normal" in this league.

The DC did not come out screaming / yelling

The PU did not call an infraction either.

Perhaps they were playing by OBR rules because in FED the player would be declared OUT.

Pete Booth

A. National Federation Baseball/Softball Rules will be used in all games.

http://www.schsl.org/2009/09-10%20AAA%20%20Handbook.pdf

Atl Blue and Bob have it right. I'm not going to go fight your (misguided) battles for you.

So you have changed you opinion based on what those guys say?

Welpe: Oh yeah. That's an easy one. Gone.

AB said:

I assume you are referring to the play that starts at about the :35 mark.

If so, no. There was no intent to injure.

I didn't read down far enough to see his comments about the video. I don't agree with him on the video but I agree with him, Bob and everybody else on that thread telling you what they are. That's about all I have to say about that.

Why would you toss the kid in the video then?

[QUOTE=PeteBooth;676851]Yes, it was a playoff game under NFHS rules. I cannot explain why the runner was not EJ'd. He was called out. Other than the MC and ejection which were not declared, what infraction was there? Interference by R3, upon which he is declared out, which he was anyway?

The DC was probably happy his kid held onto the ball. I can't explain why he didn't ask for the MC or EJ.

Catcher or runner? Your post is confusing. SC

I like the USSSA rule

8.04.C Whenever a tag play is evident, a runner must slide or seek to avoid contact with the fielder and / or catcher.
Attempting to jump, leap, or dive over the fielder and / or catcher is not interpreted as seeking to avoid contact.
Malicious contact shall supersede all obstruction penalties.
Rule 8.04.C Penalty: The runner shall be called out and may be ejected from the game at the umpire’s discretion.
Rule 8.04.C Comment: When enforcing this rule, the umpire should judge the runner’s intent. If the umpire feels
that the contact was unintentional, then the runner should only be declared out. If the umpire feels that the contact
was intentional and / or malicious, then the runner should be declared out and ejected.