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Rich Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:39pm

Interference on an infield fly
 
Not something you see every day.

Bases loaded, 1 out. Pop between the mound and F6. Obvious infield fly. F6 crashes into R2 who's dancing off second. Since the popup never passed the BU, he didn't see the collision -- I called it from the plate. F6 recovered well and caught the (already dead) ball.

Inning over. A minute or so later after being called ridiculous, I had my first ejection of the season.

jkumpire Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:51pm

Nice Job
 
Got a twofer:

Got a good call, and got a coach.

Well done!

David B Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:22pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 675265)
Not something you see every day.

Bases loaded, 1 out. Pop between the mound and F6. Obvious infield fly. F6 crashes into R2 who's dancing off second. Since the popup never passed the BU, he didn't see the collision -- I called it from the plate. F6 recovered well and caught the (already dead) ball.

Inning over. A minute or so later after being called ridiculous, I had my first ejection of the season.

Strange play, and believe it or not had the almost exact play last week; however, F6 dropped the ball. Of course it resulted in mad confusion.
We did not have ejections to follow though, coaches were confused too so they pretty much went along.

Thanks
David

tjones1 Fri Apr 30, 2010 09:35pm

Re: Ejection

Too easy, Rich! ;)

DG Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 675265)
Not something you see every day.

Bases loaded, 1 out. Pop between the mound and F6. Obvious infield fly. F6 crashes into R2 who's dancing off second. Since the popup never passed the BU, he didn't see the collision -- I called it from the plate. F6 recovered well and caught the (already dead) ball.

How did BU not see this?

kylejt Sat May 01, 2010 09:38am

Ah, but this situation begs an interesting question. If the ball/play is dead at the point of INT, and the ball is nowhere near the apex of it's travel (just going up), can you still call the IFF? Can you call IFF on a dead ball?

yawetag Sat May 01, 2010 10:04am

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Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 675406)
Ah, but this situation begs an interesting question. If the ball/play is dead at the point of INT, and the ball is nowhere near the apex of it's travel (just going up), can you still call the IFF? Can you call IFF on a dead ball?

IFF is in effect when the ball is hit, not when it hits its apex. The umpires wait until the apex to call it to ensure all the conditions are met (especially ordinary effort).

7.4.1G, while a different situation, says "The situation [of Infield Fly] determines the out, not the declaration." The situation was there: bases loaded, less than two outs, pop fly, ordinary effort (as evidenced by F6 still catching the ball).

So, to answer your questions, yes. You can still call the IFF.

mbyron Sat May 01, 2010 10:16am

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Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 675406)
Ah, but this situation begs an interesting question.

Nope. Doesn't.
Beg The Question // Get it right.

JRutledge Sat May 01, 2010 10:48am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 675410)

Too much time on your hands. :D

Peace

kylejt Sat May 01, 2010 10:50am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 675410)

Yikes! The OOO of the grammar department! ;)

Skarecrow Sat May 01, 2010 12:51pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 675410)

Interesting diet being advertised on the side of this link....HMMM.....

JPaco54 Sat May 01, 2010 01:19pm

Confused - iff - interference?
 
Explain why the second out on the IFF please? 1. IFF 2. Interference on R2? - The way I understand it, the interference did not disrupt the play, F6 caught the ball, would this not be a delayed dead ball situation...now if the interference caused him to drop it - would it then be interference as stated in a related post?

mbyron Sat May 01, 2010 03:36pm

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Originally Posted by JPaco54 (Post 675428)
Explain why the second out on the IFF please? 1. IFF 2. Interference on R2? - The way I understand it, the interference did not disrupt the play, F6 caught the ball, would this not be a delayed dead ball situation...now if the interference caused him to drop it - would it then be interference as stated in a related post?

The play began with 1 out. Second out on IFF. Third out on INT.

Fielders have a right to an unimpeded attempt to field a batted ball. The runner bumped into him. Minimal judgment required to call that (some would say "automatic").

INT by a runner is an immediate dead ball in all cases. Only coach's, catcher's, and batter's INT are delayed dead.

JJ Sat May 01, 2010 10:02pm

Today an umpire acquaintance said of this play, "I'd call the interference and ignore the Infield Fly - there's no way you can get two outs on this."
I discovered there was no way I could convince him otherwise.

JJ

yawetag Sat May 01, 2010 11:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ (Post 675454)
Today an umpire acquaintance said of this play, "I'd call the interference and ignore the Infield Fly - there's no way you can get two outs on this."
I discovered there was no way I could convince him otherwise.

JJ

What's his opinion on an IFF that hits a runner off a base?

Rich Sat May 01, 2010 11:37pm

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Originally Posted by yawetag (Post 675460)
What's his opinion on an IFF that hits a runner off a base?

That's different. That's merely interference by a runner during an.....wait a minute! It's exactly the same! :D

It took me about 10 seconds to realize that the inning was over. I called the interference and realized a second later we were dealing with an infield fly. The question I'd like to ask the acquaintance is why he would ignore the infield fly -- that batter is out, by rule, when that fair fly ball is hit.

mbyron Sun May 02, 2010 07:11am

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Originally Posted by JJ (Post 675454)
Today an umpire acquaintance said of this play, "I'd call the interference and ignore the Infield Fly - there's no way you can get two outs on this."

No provision of the rules permits ignoring an IFF. If you were going to ignore something here, it would be the INT, on the grounds that the defense wasn't really "hindered."

I don't accept that argument, but there's more room for reasonable people to disagree.

Rich Sun May 02, 2010 11:38am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 675469)
No provision of the rules permits ignoring an IFF. If you were going to ignore something here, it would be the INT, on the grounds that the defense wasn't really "hindered."

I don't accept that argument, but there's more room for reasonable people to disagree.

I don't even buy that one as being reasonable. The fielder almost went a$$ over teakettle due to the interference and made a last second lunging catch of the ball. It was just as likely he'd miss the catch and kick the ball away.

I'm certainly not waiting and then applying interference retroactively. Interference is an immediate dead ball. A collision with a protected fielder is almost certainly interference.

Besides, that wouldn't have changed anything. The offensive coach argued that because the fielder came from behind, "what's my guy supposed to do? That's not interference! He's in the baseline where he's supposed to be!" Sigh.


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