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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Apr 21, 2010 05:36pm

Play in Fordam-Iona game.
 
Check out this play and let the debate begin using NFHS, NCAA, and OBR/MLB rules sets:

Superman leap makes Fordham player a viral video hit - Big League Stew - MLB Blog - Yahoo! Sports

MTD, Sr.

johnnyg08 Wed Apr 21, 2010 05:51pm

I'll take one. Is this a "leap" or a "jump"? Fielder is not laying on the ground.

FED

2. Runners are never required to slide, but if a runner elects to slide, the
slide must be legal. (2-32-1, 2) Jumping, hurdling, and leaping are all legal attempts to avoid a fielder as long as the fielder is lying on the ground. Diving over a fielder is illegal.

PENALTY: The runner is out. Interference is called and the ball is dead immediately. On a force-play slide with less than two outs, the runner is declared out, as well as the batter-runner. Runners shall return to the bases occupied at the time of the pitch. With two outs, the runner is declared out. The batter is credited with a fielder’s choice.

Rich Ives Wed Apr 21, 2010 06:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 674572)
Check out this play and let the debate begin using NFHS, NCAA, and OBR/MLB rules sets:

Superman leap makes Fordham player a viral video hit - Big League Stew - MLB Blog - Yahoo! Sports

MTD, Sr.

Nothing to debate.

Illegal in FED because it's a dive. You don't even have to think about the fielder on the ground part.

Legal in NCAA and OBR.

johnnyg08 Wed Apr 21, 2010 06:14pm

I agree with Rich...I couldn't find anything in OBR or NCAA.

Great clip for study though.

mbyron Wed Apr 21, 2010 09:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rich ives (Post 674576)
nothing to debate.

Illegal in fed because it's a dive. You don't even have to think about the fielder on the ground part.

Legal in ncaa and obr.

+1

David B Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 674572)
Check out this play and let the debate begin using NFHS, NCAA, and OBR/MLB rules sets:

Superman leap makes Fordham player a viral video hit - Big League Stew - MLB Blog - Yahoo! Sports

MTD, Sr.

have to admit, quite a play.

Thanks
David

MrUmpire Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by David B (Post 674600)
have to admit, quite a play.

Thanks
David

But not unique. A video or photo of plays like this makes the rounds every once in a while.

KJUmp Thu Apr 22, 2010 06:38am

PU-Rob Harty

johnnyrao Thu Apr 22, 2010 07:27am

I saw the video but didn't hear the audio. I understand the rule, but can anyone determine what the Iona coach was arhuing about? Whas he arguing that the runner missed the plate or that his catcher tagged him? If this is legal in NCAA, I was just wondering what the argument was all about.

grunewar Thu Apr 22, 2010 07:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyrao (Post 674615)
I saw the video but didn't hear the audio. I understand the rule, but can anyone determine what the Iona coach was arhuing about? Whas he arguing that the runner missed the plate or that his catcher tagged him? If this is legal in NCAA, I was just wondering what the argument was all about.

I thought the coach was arguing the catcher tagged him. But, from the "non-reaction" of the catcher to the call, it was pretty obvious (to me anyhow) the catcher knew he missed the tag.

KJUmp Thu Apr 22, 2010 07:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyrao (Post 674615)
I saw the video but didn't hear the audio. I understand the rule, but can anyone determine what the Iona coach was arhuing about? Whas he arguing that the runner missed the plate or that his catcher tagged him? If this is legal in NCAA, I was just wondering what the argument was all about.

In the audio, the announcers said (obviously they're are assuming) that the Iona HC was arguing that the catcher tagged the runner has he leaped up and over him. I'm sure from the dugout the Iona HC could see (maybe even hear) his catcher's initial reaction to the PU's call, hence his coming out to argue.
No definite knowledge.... just an assumption on my part.

Texas Aggie Thu Apr 22, 2010 02:11pm

Quote:

Illegal in FED because it's a dive.
Does Fed define "dive?"

Edit: never mind. I don't really think its a dive, but even so, it appears a runner can't jump over a fielder in Fed. Regardless, it HAS to fit under one of those two.

Rich Ives Thu Apr 22, 2010 02:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie (Post 674670)
Does Fed define "dive?"

Edit: never mind. I don't really think its a dive, but even so, it appears a runner can't jump over a fielder in Fed. Regardless, it HAS to fit under one of those two.

You don't think that was a dive?

Wow!

ozzy6900 Thu Apr 22, 2010 08:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie (Post 674670)
Does Fed define "dive?"

Edit: never mind. I don't really think its a dive, but even so, it appears a runner can't jump over a fielder in Fed. Regardless, it HAS to fit under one of those two.

OMG! I hope you do not do FED ball!

DG Thu Apr 22, 2010 08:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie (Post 674670)
Does Fed define "dive?"

Edit: never mind. I don't really think its a dive, but even so, it appears a runner can't jump over a fielder in Fed. Regardless, it HAS to fit under one of those two.

Well, there was no pool of deep water involved, if that is what you define a dive to be in FED. But it was a textbook example of dive over a catcher as I have ever seen.


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