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grunewar Thu Apr 15, 2010 07:11am

Ever Umpired a Beat-Down Like This? 45-0!
 
There were: 22 runs, 23 hits, 21 walks and 11 steals in the first inning alone.

Story is at: High school baseball game ends 45-0 - MLB News - FOX Sports on MSN

jkumpire Thu Apr 15, 2010 07:20am

I have not, but...
 
I have several friends that have umpired college games with those kind of scores, it was a highlight of their careers :rolleyes:. At least one crew of guys I know had two games together with those kind of scores, but thank goodness it was not a DH.

scarolinablue Thu Apr 15, 2010 09:18am

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 673788)
There were: 22 runs, 23 hits, 21 walks and 11 steals in the first inning alone.


Methinks there's a math problem here...23 hits + 21 walks = 44 batters on base. Let's assume the bases were left loaded...44 batters - 3 outs - 3 LOB = 38 runs, not the 22 runs suggested in the article. It doesn't add up...I knew being an engineer would pay off one day!

That said, this is one of those games where after the first inning, you hope a) nobody gets hurt and b) no fights erupt before c) the game mercifully ends. I had one a few years back that was 17-0 at the end of the first, 21-0 at the end of two when the leading coach emptied his bench and told his kids to swing at the first pitch. Still took another 1:15 to finish it out at 26-1, as I recall.

jdmara Thu Apr 15, 2010 09:24am

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Originally Posted by scarolinablue (Post 673803)
Methinks there's a math problem here...23 hits + 21 walks = 44 batters on base. Let's assume the bases were left loaded...44 batters - 3 outs - 3 LOB = 38 runs, not the 22 runs suggested in the article. It doesn't add up...I knew being an engineer would pay off one day!

That said, this is one of those games where after the first inning, you hope a) nobody gets hurt and b) no fights erupt before c) the game mercifully ends. I had one a few years back that was 17-0 at the end of the first, 21-0 at the end of two when the leading coach emptied his bench and told his kids to swing at the first pitch. Still took another 1:15 to finish it out at 26-1, as I recall.

Wait?! You can't trust the newspaper's account of the events? :eek::rolleyes:

-Josh

Kevin Finnerty Thu Apr 15, 2010 09:25am

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Originally Posted by scarolinablue (Post 673803)
Methinks there's a math problem here...23 hits + 21 walks = 44 batters on base. Let's assume the bases were left loaded...44 batters - 3 outs - 3 LOB = 38 runs, not the 22 runs suggested in the article. It doesn't add up...I knew being an engineer would pay off one day!

Buddy, it's from FOX News!

You expect accurate stories of actual occurrences from anything that says FOX?

scarolinablue Thu Apr 15, 2010 09:57am

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Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty (Post 673806)
Buddy, it's from FOX News!

You expect accurate stories of actual occurrences from anything that says FOX?

In an effort to keep this topic on-topic, I'll not start a rebuttal on accuracy in the media, be it Fox, CNN, or anybody else.

Or did I just do that?

Kevin Finnerty Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:12am

Just so you know, the playing field is not even. There are things that don't compare well.

Jurassic Referee Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:08am

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Originally Posted by scarolinablue (Post 673803)
Methinks there's a math problem here...23 hits + 21 walks = 44 batters on base. Let's assume the bases were left loaded...44 batters - 3 outs - 3 LOB = 38 runs, not the 22 runs suggested in the article. It doesn't add up...I knew being an engineer would pay off one day!

What also doesn't add up is it being a forfeit like the article stated it was. Called, yes. Forfeited, no.

scarolinablue Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:32am

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Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty (Post 673809)
Just so you know, the playing field is not even. There are things that don't compare well.

Actually, the OP article is from FoxSports, not Fox News. And, Fox Sports employs McCarver, don't they? So yes, I'd expect them to be inaccurate!

Rich Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:36am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 673822)
What also doesn't add up is it being a forfeit like the article stated it was. Called, yes. Forfeited, no.

I was curious about this, so I did some reading this morning.

4-2-4 states that state associations can determine how games are to end. In the absence of such procedures, mutual agreement of the coaches and the UIC can be used to shorten games.

There is specific language in the Wisconsin Adaptations to the NFHS rules on how a game is to end. Not much, here it is:

Ten Run Rule: The game shall end when the visiting team is behind 10 or more runs after 4 1/2 innings, or after the fifth inning if either team is 10 runs behind and both teams have had an equal number of times at bat. The ten run provision shall be used in the WIAA tournament series.
If a game is called prior to the completion of any full inning, NFHS Rule 4-2-3 will be applied.

By rule, if the losing team forfeits before it's a regulation game, it goes into the books as a 7-0 forfeit. None of the stats will count, I assume. Not that I care.

mbyron Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:49am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 673826)
I was curious about this, so I did some reading this morning.

4-2-4 states that state associations can determine how games are to end. In the absence of such procedures, mutual agreement of the coaches and the UIC can be used to shorten games.

There is specific language in the Wisconsin Adaptations to the NFHS rules on how a game is to end. Not much, here it is:

Ten Run Rule: The game shall end when the visiting team is behind 10 or more runs after 4 1/2 innings, or after the fifth inning if either team is 10 runs behind and both teams have had an equal number of times at bat. The ten run provision shall be used in the WIAA tournament series.
If a game is called prior to the completion of any full inning, NFHS Rule 4-2-3 will be applied.

By rule, if the losing team forfeits before it's a regulation game, it goes into the books as a 7-0 forfeit. None of the stats will count, I assume. Not that I care.

Rich, if WIAA specifies that the mercy rule is the ONLY way to end a game in fewer than 7 innings -- that is, if the coaches cannot get together and agree to stop -- then I think you're right: this would be a forfeit.

However, according to 4-5, a forfeit is scored 7-0 only when the forfeiting team is winning. So I think score and all of the stats should remain intact for this one.

UMP25 Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:28pm

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 673788)
There were: 22 runs, 23 hits, 21 walks and 11 steals in the first inning alone.

Story is at: High school baseball game ends 45-0 - MLB News - FOX Sports on MSN

Well, Bob Jenkins and I worked a DIII conference doubleheader on Good Friday where the teams split. Visitors won first game 19-13, home team won second game 20-13. Something like 13 home runs were banged out that day, too. 65 runs that day. :eek:

BTW, in game 1, the starting pitcher wasn't removed until the bottom of the 8th, if my memory serves me correctly. He actually pitched relatively well, considering the overall score.

OLDAZSCUMP9 Thu Apr 15, 2010 02:52pm

In 1993 is did a DH for a small college in NC (that no longer has a team) They were no hit in the first game 21-0 and no hit in the 2nd 19-0. They only hit one ball out of the infield in both games. Thank God for the mercy rule in that era even in college. It was almost sad, visitors were not even scoring on passed balls and station to station baseball.

billken Thu Apr 15, 2010 06:29pm

The real learning opportunity here is how do deal with it?

Do you expand the strike zone? If so, how much?

Do you initiate a conference with the winning coach and suggest bunting?

Do you stay out of it and just mop up the mess when kids start getting beaned and all hell breaks loose?

Can you invoke the "travesty of the game" clause and end it when everyone has had enough?

yawetag Thu Apr 15, 2010 08:43pm

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Originally Posted by billken (Post 673866)
Do you expand the strike zone? If so, how much?

There are threads on here already about this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by billken (Post 673866)
Do you initiate a conference with the winning coach and suggest bunting?

No.

Quote:

Originally Posted by billken (Post 673866)
Do you stay out of it and just mop up the mess when kids start getting beaned and all hell breaks loose?

Yes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by billken (Post 673866)
Can you invoke the "travesty of the game" clause and end it when everyone has had enough?

No.

I hope this message was tongue-in-cheek.


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