Legal or not.....
 

By FED rule, is this legal for on-deck batters to have?


Schutt HWB Dirx 96OZ. Weighted Bat | BaseballExpress.com

Thx

Do you think it complies with 1-3-3? I think it's a "weighted bat."

I think it's legal...however I have not worked HS in a while and I know the FED rules can be a little "screwry"..... I know alot of guys here work HS. I watched a scrimmage yesterday and a ump told the head coach to put it away....

Thx for the response....

I'd say it's a weighted bat. That's my judgment. The umpire working the game had another judment and thought of it as something other than a "weighted bat."

Not only does it look like a weighted bat but it says: "Schutt HWB Dirx 96OZ. Weighted Bat".

By FED rules this is legal.... Odd looking but legal...

Q: How many legs does a dog have if you call a tail a leg?

A: Four. Calling a tail a leg does not make it so.

If that thing were 33" and 30 oz., would you let a batter use it to hit?

My opinion is that it is not legal to have in the on-deck circle. Calling it a weighted bat does not make it one.

how or why do you not think this is a weighted bat/ warm up bat?

Appears to be a weighted bat made for this purpose, even has bat handle with knob on the end. I see no other legal purpose for this item and for illegal purposes no one would buy one when a pipe or brick would do.

In the spirit of the rule, it is not a sledge hammer or some other such thing that creates more of a hazard. This is something designed as a weighted warm-up device that is decidedly bat-like.

I think I'll bring it up to the rules chairman, and I think I'll allow it until I hear otherwise, just like I did today.

They've been usesd around here and no one has said anything.

Same here, we've seen these and not a problem.

Now if a coach complained about it, might have to seek a clarification, but I would allow it until I got the clarification.

Thanks
David

Quote: "If that thing were 33" and 30 oz., would you let a batter use it to hit?"

The OP said nothing about allowing batter to bring that "weighted bat" to the batter's box to hit? The issues was can it be used in the circle? No one is calling this a "bat" but a "weighted bat". No comparision to your dog tail...

Pickin' buggers.

5.

It's legal - meets the FED requirements for a warmup bat.

JJ

I've seen that and similar devices used.

Until NFHS defines exactly what a "weighted bat" is, then unless it can be deemed unsafe. Let them Play

The rules are just not clear. "Only bats and devices designed to remain part of
the bat, such as weighted bats"

Is a weighted bat "a device that remains part of the bat"? Then its not a bat, its a part of the bat Blah, Blah Blah Blah Blah ........?????????????????:confused::confused::conf used:

What about weighted hands?

That brings up an interesting point. What about a dougnut? They are used all over the place, but they are not a device designed to remain part of the bat. So are they illegal? Playing devil's advocate here...This thing is closer to meeting the rules than doughnuts.

They are part of a weighted bat!!:confused:

Both are legal, since both are mentioned as legal in 1-3-3.

I realize they are legal that's why I quoted the post above mine - To point out the "designed to remain part of the bat" which is where the rules quote ended - and donuts are not designed to remain part of the bat.

amen

I would allow, and not seek clarification. If the handle looks like a bat, and the other end is weighted, it's a weighted warmup bat.

Baseball Donuts
 

1-3-3 doesn't mention the batting sleeves which are legal and have replaced the original batting donuts which I believe are illegal. Thought they (LL and FED) said no to "original" baseball donuts. Reason for long weighted sleeves and new models of weighted bats being designed by manufacturers which do not "fly off" at the handle. Reason iron bars became popular around here. Concerns over safety issues brought about legal concerns. If donuts owners were broke to begin with, why pay more for the same amount of benefit?

Again, 1-3-3 specifically states donuts are legal.

LL banned donuts years ago. I assume that ban is still in place; haven't done a game there in over a decade.

Day Old Donuts
 

I wikied baseball donut and saw a picture of Pudge swinging a bat in a Rangers uniform. The donut on his bat is the larger 6-inch legal version found across the country today. It isn't the bat-size 1-inch rubber coated iron donut popular 20 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball_doughnut

If the little donut is sold by DiMarini and is legal, on which MLB club on-deck circle will I find it? Is there a major college baseball team swinging DiMarini bats along with the $7 Dimarini donuts in the on-deck circle?

http://www.weplaysports.com/bat/weight/

It doesn't have a barrel.

'No one is calling this a "bat" but a "weighted bat".'

I suppose I can concede that, if "weighted bat" is a compound noun. I read it as a noun modified by an adjective. For it to be a "weighted bat", it must first be a bat.

Regardless, I missed the question. Chris didn't ask if it was a bat, a weighted bat, or a bacon double cheeseburger; he asked if it was legal for a batter to have it in the on-deck circle under FED rules.

I don't think they're legal, and don't care. I won't ban them even if is determined they are not, just as I've never balked a "gorilla-arming" pitcher, made anybody get rid of "big-league chew", wrote a report over baseballs without a NFHS stamp, told anyone <i>sua sponte</i> to get rid of jewelry, restricted anyone to the dugout, or enforced a host of other FED stupidity, either.

1) We're discussing (I think) FED rules, so "what's found in MLB on-deck circles" is irrelevant.

2) Just because something isn't found there, doesn't make it illegal. They are just as (or more) susceptible to trends as anyone else.

3) It's possible that having the weight distributed over a larger area provides some benefit to the batter (or at least that someone made that calim). Again, this has nothing to do with legality.

Vintage 1" donuts
 

My point is the donut sleeve is legal in LL, HS, NCAA, MiLB and MLB. The fact that rule 1-3-3 states "batting donut" may reflect the age difference between those who write the rules and those who play the game on the field while using an approved batting donut sleeve in the warmup circle. Modern equipment generally replaces vintage equipment on the field.
The possibility of misrepresenting FED approval of the traditional batting donut looms. The legal question is, "What is the FED policy on the batting donut which LL baseball does not permit on the field?"

Agree
 

Yes, batting donuts are legal. Did I state batting donuts were illegal? This argument has no merit because I also acknowledge batting donuts are legal. BTW, LL specifically states that batting donuts are legal too.

It does not specifically mention that the traditional 1" inch donuts are legal.

I asked whether 1-3-3 includes 1" donuts which are illegal in other jurisdictions. LL rules specifically state that traditional batting donuts are illegal. The fact that FED does not mention it, does not make it legal either. Checking w/ my supervisor is easier than asking about it here.

I believe that "remains part of the bat" refers to devices used during warmup, and certainly must come off before going to the plate with bat. Normally, batters warmup by holding the handle end :) so as long as the device does not come off while swinging warmups it is legal. The "warmup bat" shown in original post is a weighted bat made for the purpose of warming up. It has a handle with a knob on it, like a regular bat, and a weight at the other end. It does not have a barrel because there is no need for one.

A doughnut that flies off the end of the bat during normal use is illegal.

I don't know, nor do I care, what donuts LL has allowed or outlawed. All donuts (assuming they don't fly off the end of the bat) are legal in FED.