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lawump Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:43pm

won't be the last
 
Long-time umpire Montague hangs up the mask - Chicago Breaking Sports

This won't be the last, IMO. With the new collective bargaining agreement that gives a much larger financial incentive for veterans to retire, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this won't be the last this year. Just a guess...no inside information on this.

I guess I get a little excited because my former colleagues and classmates are now near the top of the list for promotion. It'll be cool to see what happens.

MrUmpire Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:51pm

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Originally Posted by lawump (Post 663104)
Long-time umpire Montague hangs up the mask - Chicago Breaking Sports

This won't be the last, IMO. With the new collective bargaining agreement that gives a much larger financial incentive for veterans to retire, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this won't be the last this year. Just a guess...no inside information on this.

I guess I get a little excited because my former colleagues and classmates are now near the top of the list for promotion. It'll be cool to see what happens.

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mrm21711 Fri Feb 19, 2010 01:04pm

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Originally Posted by lawump (Post 663104)
Long-time umpire Montague hangs up the mask - Chicago Breaking Sports

This won't be the last, IMO. With the new collective bargaining agreement that gives a much larger financial incentive for veterans to retire, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this won't be the last this year. Just a guess...no inside information on this.

I guess I get a little excited because my former colleagues and classmates are now near the top of the list for promotion. It'll be cool to see what happens.


I heard there were a few guys considering retiring this year. Apparently, yesterday (February 18) was the last day for them to decide whether to take retirement under the new agreement.

johnSandlin Fri Feb 19, 2010 01:20pm

I would say Drake or Hoye get the first shot.

Rich Fri Feb 19, 2010 01:53pm

Has Montague ever been involved in anything really controversial? 34 years, the last 14 as a crew chief. And the last guy to wear the penis-hat beanie.

MrUmpire Fri Feb 19, 2010 01:55pm

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Originally Posted by johnSandlin (Post 663122)
I would say Drake or Hoye get the first shot.

Drake showed humility and that he could take re-direction last year. I believe it salvaged his career after some issues threatened it in 2008. It put him back in the good graces of those in charge and probably in the number one slot.

Although rumors persist that AJ is two or three, there are those at the ML level who believe some performance issues last year as a call-up killed his chances for this year.

Hoye is a possibility for number two.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see two more retirements. It could depend on the final wording of the buy-out clause intended to help (encourgage?) some older umpires retire.

SethPDX Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:04am

I always liked watching Ed work. Best wishes for a happy retirement to him.

lawump Sat Mar 06, 2010 08:57pm

I said it wouldn't be the last.
 
Misplays force shakeup of umpire supervisors - ESPN

Bye-bye Randy Marsh and Charlie Reliford...we hardly knew thee.

FredFan7 Sat Mar 06, 2010 09:23pm

I hear that Rick Reed also retired.

MrUmpire Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:08pm

...two, three, four...

FredFan7 Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:12pm

New crew chiefs: Kellogg, Layne, Gorman, Hallion.

ManInBlue Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:44am

So close...
 
The story was going along so well, but then..."McClelland also missed a double play..." I remember both runners standing on 3rd - wouldn't have been a double play. If memory serves correctly, he called the wrong runner out, but he did not miss a double play. Correct me if my memory has failed me.

Rich Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:59am

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Originally Posted by ManInBlue (Post 666790)
The story was going along so well, but then..."McClelland also missed a double play..." I remember both runners standing on 3rd - wouldn't have been a double play. If memory serves correctly, he called the wrong runner out, but he did not miss a double play. Correct me if my memory has failed me.

Both runners were tagged off the base in the brief confusion.

Dakota Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:00am

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Originally Posted by ManInBlue (Post 666790)
The story was going along so well, but then..."McClelland also missed a double play..." I remember both runners standing on 3rd - wouldn't have been a double play. If memory serves correctly, he called the wrong runner out, but he did not miss a double play. Correct me if my memory has failed me.

Both runners were tagged off the base.

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Kevin Finnerty Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:49am

It was the single worst high-profile missed call of my lifetime. Denkinger's was pretty bad for a couple of reasons, but this one was extreme.

There are plenty of young umpires waiting for a shot. You had a great career, to a point. And your pension plan's out of this world. What do you say, Tim?

lawump Sun Mar 07, 2010 07:36pm

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Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty (Post 666803)
It was the single worst high-profile missed call of my lifetime. Denkinger's was pretty bad for a couple of reasons, but this one was extreme.

There are plenty of young umpires waiting for a shot. You had a great career, to a point. And your pension plan's out of this world. What do you say, Tim?

Age had nothing to do with the miss. It could have happened to anyone of any age. Tim is still rated one of the top 3 balls and strike umpires in baseball on QuesTec (or whatever they call it).

He is so good, that after he umpired the one-game playoff (the 163rd game) two years ago, a coach (while wildly celebrating) actually stopped on air to congratulate Tim (by name) for calling a great game behind the plate and said he, "was a credit to his profession". That almost never happens in MLB. Not that a coach is qualified to evaluate umpires...but when MLB (via QuesTec) and the coaches and players (remember, Tim was also the highest rated umpire in MLB in the SI players' poll) rate you the highest, you must be doing something right.

It is so hard for an umpire to make the Hall of Fame for a lot of reasons...but if I had to bet on ONE current MLB umpire to be a future hall of famer, I'd put my money on him...even with that one miss.

MrUmpire Sun Mar 07, 2010 09:01pm

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Originally Posted by lawump (Post 666860)
Age had nothing to do with the miss. It could have happened to anyone of any age. Tim is still rated one of the top 3 balls and strike umpires in baseball on QuesTec (or whatever they call it).

He is so good, that after he umpired the one-game playoff (the 163rd game) two years ago, a coach (while wildly celebrating) actually stopped on air to congratulate Tim (by name) for calling a great game behind the plate and said he, "was a credit to his profession". That almost never happens in MLB. Not that a coach is qualified to evaluate umpires...but when MLB (via QuesTec) and the coaches and players (remember, Tim was also the highest rated umpire in MLB in the SI players' poll) rate you the highest, you must be doing something right.

It is so hard for an umpire to make the Hall of Fame for a lot of reasons...but if I had to bet on ONE current MLB umpire to be a future hall of famer, I'd put my money on him...even with that one miss.

Although Tim didn't make the excuse, the MLB and AAA MiLB umpires I've had the pleasure to speak with say Tim had the misfortune of experiencing a brain fart on six-man mechanics at the worst possible time. You can see in the photo that his position gives him a great view of the back of R3 and screens him out from the catcher's activity. He's in the wrong spot and he didn't adjust.

A huge mistake, no doubt, but given his performance over his career, not a fatal one.

The main people b!tching are media types, rats and others who either expect only perfection from professionals or have convinced themselves they can do better.

yawetag Mon Mar 08, 2010 02:19am

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Originally Posted by lawump (Post 666860)
(remember, Tim was also the highest rated umpire in MLB in the SI players' poll)

Well, in the DP situation, he had a 66% approval rating of the players involved. You can't buy better numbers.

Kevin Finnerty Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:14am

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Originally Posted by MrUmpire (Post 666882)
Although Tim didn't make the excuse, the MLB and AAA MiLB umpires I've had the pleasure to speak with say Tim had the misfortune of experiencing a brain fart on six-man mechanics at the worst possible time. You can see in the photo that his position gives him a great view of the back of R3 and screens him out from the catcher's activity. He's in the wrong spot and he didn't adjust.

A huge mistake, no doubt, but given his performance over his career, not a fatal one.

The main people b!tching are media types, rats and others who either expect only perfection from professionals or have convinced themselves they can do better.

That last part of the passage reflects the kind of thinking that literally allows for and readily excuses failure. (If you can't do any better yourself, you're not qualified to criticize.)

On a field, McClelland is lazy--perhaps due to age, perhaps due to disinterest--and that laziness comes into play quite often in his work on the bases. And that blown call wasn't merely a "mistake," it was a disservice to the game, its participants and its followers. And what was that other blown coverage and resultant horrible call on the Swisher tag play? Was that a "mistake" that none of us are qualified to criticize?

You can dismiss and defame me and his many other well qualified critics and remain blindly loyal to McClelland and anyone else you like. That's your choice to make. I choose to live my life with my eyes and my mind open. I also choose to base my observations on what is actually happening in the world around me, not what a certain segment says must be happening.

dash_riprock Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:47am

He kicked the crap out of a call that 99% of mediocre high school umpires would get right. And he did it in the world series. Doesn't make him a bad guy.

Kevin Finnerty Mon Mar 08, 2010 01:25pm

If only what I say or write is what is ascribed to me, then that would be quite a nice change. I look forward to that someday.

I never said anything about McClelland as a person or about his being a good or bad guy. I only questioned whether the level of performance of his work--especially in high-profile games--warrants his still being on a major league diamond after all these years, and I offered criticism of his techniques in arriving at those blown calls (and the one that decided the San Diego/Colorado playoff two years ago).

In the grand scheme of things: a small matter. In the rather precise and particular world of baseball: a significant matter.

McClelland: I met him once in passing after a game at Oakland many years ago. We had a brief conversation. He was a seemingly mild-mannered, professional gentleman. His work at that time was uniformly excellent. That was 1993. This is 2010.

MrUmpire Mon Mar 08, 2010 01:42pm

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Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 666971)
He kicked the crap out of a call that 99% of mediocre high school umpires would get right. And he did it in the world series. Doesn't make him a bad guy.

Agreed, or a bad umpire.

He made a blatant, huge, disasterous, and stupid error.

His record and reputation will take a hit, and he will still be a good ML umpire, better than most.

Arnold A. Tue Mar 09, 2010 02:25pm

Tim was an extremely good umpire.

He is still a better than average umpire.

He has lost a step (or two) due to age and injury.

In past years, he has made some gross misses in some high-profile games.

All that said, if we are painfully honest, we all have had gross misses in a lot lower profile situations. Does he one butchered call make us lousy umpires?
I hope not!

I think Tim McC should retire, along with Cowboy Joe. They are painful to watch, they can't move.

JMO

UMP25 Tue Mar 09, 2010 02:49pm

I find interesting all this talk about "So-and-so was a good umpire," because one has to wonder at what point do we focus on the "was" a good umpire and wonder if said person still is a good umpire.

After he retired, Johnny Carson was asked why he retired when he did, why he retired when he was still good, still funny, still relevant. Carson replied that he would rather go out while still at the top of his game, having people tell him, "You didn't have to retire; you were still good," rather than retiring too late and having people tell him, "You should have retired years ago."

I wonder if we can say this about some MLB Umpires or even about ourselves. I hope I stand by my promise I made to myself, that being when I am no longer able to physically umpire, or when I believe I am hurting the game, I will retire. The game deserves me at my best, in good enough condition to do an excellent job. When my abilities tank, it's time to go.

mbyron Tue Mar 09, 2010 02:55pm

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Originally Posted by UMP25 (Post 667233)
When my abilities tank, it's time to go.

And there's the rub: for so many, the abilities don't "tank," but rather slowly ebb. Hard to know when to stop, since tomorrow's performance won't be noticeably different from today's. :(

JJ Tue Mar 09, 2010 06:20pm

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Originally Posted by FredFan7 (Post 666734)
New crew chiefs: Kellogg, Layne, Gorman, Hallion.

I sat next to Kellogg at Wendlestedt's school, and Gorman was one of the minor league instructors....That's my brush with greatness. Or theirs! :D

JJ

BaBa Booey Thu Mar 11, 2010 09:24am

New crews are out, and looks like 5 opens spots (or 4 if you don't count Meriweather on the DL)

2010 Umpire Crew

lawump Thu Mar 11, 2010 01:57pm

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Originally Posted by BaBa Booey (Post 667635)
New crews are out, and looks like 5 opens spots (or 4 if you don't count Meriweather on the DL)

2010 Umpire Crew

The boys at the PBUC camp have been told that 5 are moving up to MLB permanently.

Tim C Thu Mar 11, 2010 01:58pm

Hmmm,
 
No one would ever confuse me with a professional umpire.

I selected to retire from umpiring possibily two years too early rather than one yet too late.

T

Ump153 Fri Mar 12, 2010 07:28pm

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Originally Posted by lawump (Post 667753)
The boys at the PBUC camp have been told that 5 are moving up to MLB permanently.

Like what happens often, apparently some heard something different than others. Some heard "four or five" will be moving up permanently. Some also heard that this year will see a major house cleaning at the Triple A level.

mrm21711 Fri Mar 12, 2010 08:05pm

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Originally Posted by Ump153 (Post 668092)
Like what happens often, apparently some heard something different than others. Some heard "four or five" will be moving up permanently. Some also heard that this year will see a major house cleaning at the Triple A level.

Somebody posted this on another forum, but apparently Mike DiMuro has a blog on the Umps Care website. He indicated Meriwether is retiring as well, however, due to language in the new Collective Barganing Agreement, his replacement for the vacant spot will not be announced until the end of the 2010 season. For that reason, I would guess he appears on the "DL" on the list posted on West's site. So...his spot would be the "fifth." Perhaps he is going on the DL for this season and his retirement will not be effective until the end of the season.

socalblue1 Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:16am

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Originally Posted by Ump153 (Post 668092)
Like what happens often, apparently some heard something different than others. Some heard "four or five" will be moving up permanently. Some also heard that this year will see a major house cleaning at the Triple A level.

AAA releases were done in Oct/Nov. There will likely be a couple more self-releases toward the end of spring after the MLB promotion announcements are done.

Ump153 Sat Mar 13, 2010 01:05am

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Originally Posted by socalblue1 (Post 668118)
AAA releases were done in Oct/Nov. There will likely be a couple more self-releases toward the end of spring after the MLB promotion announcements are done.


I know. A considerable number have been released already. Most likely some who are not in the top ten after the promotions may join them.

lawump Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:08pm

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Originally Posted by mrm21711 (Post 668097)
He indicated Meriwether is retiring as well...

For Nashville umpire, one knee injury and he's out | tennessean.com | The Tennessean

Lawrence.Dorsey Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:51am

Hate to see Chuck go because he was a relatively new MLB umpire when I first started umpiring in 1991. I always thought he was solid and I liked his mechanics. I could tell his knees had been bothering him for a few years as he seem to get slower and slower on the bases. I remember early in his career he worked the knee and I wonder how that affected him later in his career.


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