Coach Dad
 

I posted this on another forum but would like some input on this from some NCAA guys....

This is why I hate travel and club ball. This is a fall ball development league. I have the stick, top of 2, and visiting team down 6, 7 or 8 (or whatever) to 0. Coach Dad is warned on balls and strikes.
In the 7th or 8th of a 9 inning game visitors down 20 or so to 0...2 outs, R1, 2-2 count, batter nicks the ball, it hits the catchers glove and goes to the backstop, I rule foul. Someone from the hole yells "It was catchers interference! Figure it out!" Me being the politically correct umpire that I am simply LOOK in the hole. Coach Dad flips, not arguing catchers interference but that I looked in his dugout. He Starts ranting and raving as he's headed towards me. I say "We aren't doing this." He continues to the plate yelling. I tell him two more times while giving him the stop sign not to come down here. Because all he wants to do is yell and scream at me about nothing. He says something inappropriate and gets run.
He pulls his hitter and runner into the hole and says, "We're through, we aren't playing with you out here." Game over.
While I know this is high school stuff. For you NCAA guys any advise on how this should be handled? If anything different. As I find there to be a huge difference between the pro game and the college game as far as how situations are supposed to be handled. And I'm really trying to learn anything I can about umpiring in general to keep improving.
Thanks guys

Don't get me wrong, I'd like advise from everyone. I simply mean how should this be handled in a college game. Thanks again.

Is this a college level fall ball game? Do you want opinions on how to handle this is regular season or in the fall ball setting?

Regular season...College

Thanks

Hard to say, this doesn't happen in college games. At least none I've worked or watched.

In fall ball "developmental", for my taste that was one warning to many. Then, after his tantrum and pulling his kids, pack up your gear and go home.

Honestly in a regular season game.. I would have done the same thing... you gave him warning about balls and strikes early in the game... and then when this all happened, it seemed like you tried to talk him down and you were not the aggressor, which is great, some guys will always want to be aggressive. I use the stop sign as well. its a great non aggressive tactic. I say you did just fine. I just umpired a fall game for a D-II school 2 day 75* in Missouri in Nov.. awesome weather... not a peep out of anyone...fun game..I sure this was my last game till Feb..

I tend to agree Mr. Umpire. Probably gave him one to many warnings....man Umpmazza that sounds like my kinda weather.

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Batboy,

Best advice I can give you for that level of play is make sure you get paid before the game starts.

What an embarrasment to a college level player. About all you can do is think "Well coach don't let the gate hit you in the **s on the way out".

In verbal english, "Have a nice day!":rolleyes:

The chances of this happening in a college game are extremely small. There's an autoimatic suspension in the rules for the coach if he pulls his team.

When I was in school, a coach pulled his team after one of his players was tossed for telling the BU, "You don't know anything." His team was packing up to leave, and we were razzing them pretty good, wishing them a pleasant trip home, etc. But then somebody must have intervened, or maybe the coach simply changed his mind, because they then unpacked and the game continued.

I remember that the coach was ragging on both umps right from the beginning, moaning about obvious calls, claiming on anything close that he was being robbed. I also remember that he looked pretty young, so I suspected he was somehow a last-minute replacement for the real coach.

My junior year in college, the regular Boston College coach was sick and sent an assistant. The guy couldn't handle the game or his team, and the afternoon ended in a brawl.

PS. I don't do college baseball (I'm not in the clique), but I've done plenty of college softball, and I've never had even the slightest incident with player or coach or spectator.

If he comes ranting out of the dugout toss him. After that he is not allowed to do any coaching, so if he pulls his team from the field forfeit the game and go home.

Yes, that would be my reaction. If he comes out of the dugout yelling and screaming, he's gone. I had a HS coach do the pull the team thing, he was trailing 23-0 at the time.

It's a bright coaching move: draw more attention to how horsesh!t you and your team are.

Yes and the coach was an ex major league player!! I ran him and he said, "Do you know who I am", and I said, "ya, the guy walkin to the bus!!"...

I don't know what you mean when you said "I have the stick" ???????????
Looking in the hole I assume is the dug out.

In the area I umpire, you would not be taken in a positive light using that termonology. We are rather loose bunch but thats just the way it is around here, like it or not.

The stick, the pot, the plate.....

Sounds like your group doesn't have anyone over 35, or any former or current professionals, or has been living in a cave.

What's wrong with what saying "the hole" or "the stick" Is it wrong to refer to them as "rats" when you are talking to your fellow umpires. Why is your area so sensitive about that. I wrote on here to get advise on how to better handle this in a NCAA setting. Sorry to offend you.

Wow ...

"That's the way it is around here, like it or not. "

Well, Batboy, that's not necessarily the way it is around here, and you don't always have to like it to enjoy it. I thought you were pretty cool about the way you asked the question, and if you want to be a complete baseball man and be a quality umpire, all the more power to you, and not less.

All throughout your ascent, you will experience umpires that act haughty and exclusive, because they want to keep their status lofty. Well there are plenty of others that will embrace you and pick you up and share what they know so you'l gain a command more rapidly. You'll spot them fairly quickly and when you do, pick their brains---even if you have to pay for the beer and pizza.

There are ballplayers who'll help you be a better player and there are those who'll wish for you to go downhill fast. It's the same kind of thing. Baseball is often about keeping what you know from others. I watched Dave Righetti teach Rod Beck everything he knew about closing games in the big leagues---even though it was Righetti's job Beck was taking. What happened? Rod Beck became a premier closer and Righetti still holds the job of pitching coach for that same Giants club 16 years later. That was his reward. It was a win-win. It should be that way between umpires, but sometimes it's not.

I think sharing what one knows with the next guy is the better way to go for most of us.

I appreciate it... And I agree. Thanks man.

Really? C'mon man! Really?

What area do you umpire in, Bumf*ck, Egypt? The moon?

Both of these terms are part of the baseball lexicon and have been for as long as I can remember.

Kevin is right, some guys dont want to help cause they are afraid that if they get better then they will lose games...

I had a guy help me this year, and in doing so I got some more games at a higher level of college ball, and Playoff games ( well he also got playoff games) But I like to teach/help out younger umpires.

Really? I love it when people screw up when picking on someone else.

Good thing speeling doesn't count in umpiring!! I always ask my assigners to give me games with the newbies and I always get playoff games. I think the ability to teach, and teaching, makes us better umpires.

A tip of the creased, black six-stitch to you, sir.

"Both of these terms are part of the baseball lexicon and have been for as long as I can remember."

I never heard the term stick used that way. Of course, I grew up in Noo Joisey, where da woids are pronounced different.

I had never heard the term Jap, either (except in its WW II sense), until my Jewish business partner told me that he disappointed his parents by not marrying a Jap. Needless to say, I was puzzled by his remark.

I believe that is properly spelled J.A.P., as in Jewish American Princess.;)

http://neveryetmelted.com/wp-images/MonicaLewinsky.jpg
J. A. P.

Absolutely incredible.

:D
Why does every thread get political? :p

What is so incredible? It's Monica. A F.O.B. The person posting this is a big fan of B. I see nothing wrong with it. But of course, YOU do.

At least he's poking fun at his own party.

This chick sure had a lot of spunk!:D

I believe that is properly spelled J.A.P., as in Jewish American Princess.

I would say just JAP, without the periods. However, when my business partner was telling me the story, I assumed he meant Jap since I was unaware of the term JAP, even though my girlfriend at the time was definitely the capitalized kind.

We got all that. We were just trying to make sure you pronounced it "Jay-Ay-Pea" from now on. ;)

Just so nobody confuses Jay-Ay-Pea with "Elsie Pea," my constant companion, especially in dangerous parts of town.

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"In the 7th or 8th of a 9 inning game visitors down 20 or so to 0."

Seriously, game over. I wouldn't have been there.

Trust me I didn't wanna be there. But had no choice. It's a 9 inning game or 2:30 drop dead time limit. If It was 2 minutes and 30 seconds that would've been great.

No run limit?
 

Other than field management duties, I don't know what else I could do to buy time during a long game such as this. I would have lots of reasons for looking into the dugout, looking into the bleachers after each foul ball, dusting off the plate, checking baseballs for soft spots, allowing teams full team warm-up/conference times, calling out the ground crew to fix a spot on the field or to turn on the lights.

Or else, try to appease the coach by telling him you won't look into his dugout anymore after he warns his players to behave. I know the coach may well ignore the advice, but perhaps it will take his mind away from yelling and screaming. Hey coach, getting on that bus is probably the best advice I can give you right now. Perhaps he'll find a clue about coaching on his way to the bus.