Treatment of female umpire in Minor Leagues

[cc6]

Originally Posted by batboy22

Your right man. Well put.

I agree about Ria making it really far in baseball and that we shouldn't judge her. It seems like the situation in this video was not handled well. There might have been signals going on though, so we can't know for sure. To spectators though, I think it would appear like a situation that got out of hand. I think the stuff minor league umpires said about Ria was slander.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by cc6

I think the stuff minor league umpires said about Ria was slander.

And the facts you have to back up this statement are?

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Ump153

And the facts you have to back up this statement are?

Not relevant. The question is, where are the facts to back up the rumors?

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Matt

Not relevant. The question is, where are the facts to back up the rumors?

Exactly. They're the ones making the claims about her. They have to back up their claims, she doesn't have to prove she didn't do the stuff they say she did. I got the feeling from reading that book that there was some resentment and jealousy because she was a woman in a "man's" game. Surely they wouldn't have kept her around that long if she wasn't a decent umpire.

With that said, I didn't think they handled the situation in the video very well.

[jicecone]

No matter how it was "PERCEIVED", Mr. Mouth was sent home. The 1B umpire stood his ground, threw out the coach and then let him vent. But, in the end Mr. Mouth was gone, regardless of what all the armchair experts thought.

Show this video enough times and you will get enough different expert opinions to startup a national poll.

CC6, you start a thread about "Treatment of female umpire in Minor League", show a video about how another umpire she worked with handles a hot head, (because not knowing what took place or what was said there, she did what she should have), talk about slander against her and havn't backed up any of your claims yet.

So I have to ask, was it just a slow day up in the North Country or do you really need the attention? Give us the details of how she was treated and what the League did that was so wrong.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Quote:
Originally Posted by cc6
I think the stuff minor league umpires said about Ria was slander.

Originally Posted by Ump153

And the facts you have to back up this statement are?

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[Tim C]

I believe it would be libel and not slander.

Also "truth" is the valid defense of libel. The umpire in question not only had sex with players but also with other umpires. She did not deny it when confronted.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Tim C

I believe it would be libel and not slander.

Also "truth" is the valid defense of libel. The umpire in question not only had sex with players but also with other umpires. She did not deny it when confronted.

Slander: Spoken

Libel: Written

So, it depends on exactly what remarkas were being referred to.

In any event, Ria must be aware of them (even before the book was published I had heard about them), so apparently she doesn't think it's worth pursuing.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by Tim C

I believe it would be libel and not slander.

Also "truth" is the valid defense of libel. The umpire in question not only had sex with players but also with other umpires. She did not deny it when confronted.

We care far too much as a society about the sex that other people are having or are trying to have. And we are going backward, rather than forward. It's become an absurdity. We're laughingstocks in Europe and South America for letting this 19th-century mindset about sexuality have such a prominent voice in our national debate. I recall when a couple of female Bay Area sports reporters were seducing numerous Giants, A's and Warriors players in the late-'80s-early-'90s era (one of them wrote a book detailing some of it). It was of little consequence, because all they were doing was reporting on sports, which is mostly frivolity when compared to true journalism.

But there are certain environments in which a sexual affair could cause a serious conflict, and an umpire crossing the line with a player is certainly one of them that is high up the list. (I would say No. 1 is jetliner pilot and co-pilot in flight.) Of all the men in the world, she has to go at it with a player?! She should get booted for that alone.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by Tim C

I believe it would be libel and not slander.

Also "truth" is the valid defense of libel. The umpire in question not only had sex with players but also with other umpires. She did not deny it when confronted.

Exactly.

These were not just "rumors" as cc6 claims and others support. Facts were presented and not refuted.

[justanotherblue]

Originally Posted by Tim C

I believe it would be libel and not slander.

Also "truth" is the valid defense of libel. The umpire in question not only had sex with players but also with other umpires. She did not deny it when confronted.

Accoring to Bruce's book, not only did he ask her if she had slept with players , she denied it, as well as sleeping with her partners. Way back when, I had long hair, beyond the middle of my back. I also ran a 4:20 mile. An individual who knew NOTHING about me accused me of habitually and routinely smoking dope and taking speed. I laughed and walked away. Simply because I didn't deny it, I was perceived to be a "stoner". I ran anywhere from 70 to a 100 miles a week. But I'm sure he felt better about himself to believe I did.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by justanotherblue

Way back when, I had long hair, beyond the middle of my back. I also ran a 4:20 mile. An individual who knew NOTHING about me accused me of habitually and routinely smoking dope and taking speed. I laughed and walked away. Simply because I didn't deny it, I was perceived to be a "stoner".

Perhaps it was the "4:20" mile!

[Tim C]

Report me for last night!

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by justanotherblue

Simply because I didn't deny it, I was perceived to be a "stoner"..

And some people develope these long narrow shaped heads, similar in shape and size to Neanderthrals and as innovative and flexible as granite. Unable to ever comprehend and accept and admit, that someone who looks different then them, may just be better and smarter.

And then to think that these people have sex also. How degrading to mankind can you get?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by cc6

I think the stuff minor league umpires said about Ria was slander.

Originally Posted by Ump153

And the facts you have to back up this statement are?

Why does he need facts to back up what he thinks about a subject? He did not one time say that what the minor league umpires said about Ria was slander. Who appointed you Thought Policeman?