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umpjim Mon Nov 02, 2009 06:12pm

Continuous action?
 
From this MLB.com story:

Howard ruled safe despite missing plate | MLB.com: News

"According to Rule 7.10 (d), the play must be appealed "before the next pitch, or any play or attempted play." Posada's throw to second represented an "attempted play," and therefore eliminated the possibility for the Yankees to appeal the play. "

Actually, I think CC recovered the ball and threw to 2B. But why wouldn't continuous action apply here?

dash_riprock Mon Nov 02, 2009 06:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by umpjim (Post 634243)
From this MLB.com story:

Howard ruled safe despite missing plate | MLB.com: News

"According to Rule 7.10 (d), the play must be appealed "before the next pitch, or any play or attempted play." Posada's throw to second represented an "attempted play," and therefore eliminated the possibility for the Yankees to appeal the play. "

Actually, I think CC recovered the ball and threw to 2B. But why wouldn't continuous action apply here?

It does apply, and CC's throw was certainly continuous action. I thought Everitt's casual "safe" signal was him ruling that Howard had touched the plate. It was casual because everyone could see the ball rolling loose. No need to sell that one.

If the Yanks had appealed (before the next post continuous action play or pitch) and Everitt had not allowed the appeal, I think it would have been protestable.

The quote in the article is not attributed to anyone, so I think it is just the writer quoting the rule, and then interpreting it wrong. That wouldn't surprise me at all.

Rich Ives Mon Nov 02, 2009 06:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by umpjim (Post 634243)
From this MLB.com story:

Howard ruled safe despite missing plate | MLB.com: News

"According to Rule 7.10 (d), the play must be appealed "before the next pitch, or any play or attempted play." Posada's throw to second represented an "attempted play," and therefore eliminated the possibility for the Yankees to appeal the play. "

Actually, I think CC recovered the ball and threw to 2B. But why wouldn't continuous action apply here?

They got the "who threw the ball" wrong too.

johnnyg08 Mon Nov 02, 2009 07:00pm

You are correct...this was an appealable play...but they didn't appeal and apparently PU covered his tracks w/ some type of safe signal that wasn't on camera.

jkumpire Mon Nov 02, 2009 07:46pm

Okay, what do you call on the appeal?
 
You are the PU on this play, what do you call?

Without the benefit of hindsight or replay?

I am very tempted to call him safe anyway, but his arm and body is high enough over the plate a she goes over that I think I could see it. I'd call him out, and then eject about 3 guys who would argue the call.

However, a long time ago, there was a discussion about this on a list serve of umpires put together by Mr. Childress, that Tee and several others on this board were a part of.

As I remember the conversation, there was a consensus that if it is close, with very little space between the runner's arm or body and the plate, call him safe.

Comments?

MrUmpire Mon Nov 02, 2009 07:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkumpire (Post 634258)
You are the PU on this play, what do you call?

Without the benefit of hindsight or replay?

I am very tempted to call him safe anyway, but his arm and body is high enough over the plate a she goes over that I think I could see it. I'd call him out, and then eject about 3 guys who would argue the call.

By what rule would you call him out? He was not tagged and there was no appeal.

jkumpire Mon Nov 02, 2009 08:40pm

Mr. Umipre, could I please ask you to read the title of the post?
 
The question was, sir: If they appealed it, what would you have called?

MrUmpire Mon Nov 02, 2009 08:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkumpire (Post 634263)
The question was, sir: If they appealed it, what would you have called?

Sorry, I never saw that question in your post. Still don't.

dash_riprock Mon Nov 02, 2009 09:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrUmpire (Post 634264)
Sorry, I never saw that question in your post. Still don't.

It's in the subject line.

MrUmpire Mon Nov 02, 2009 09:42pm

Yankees suck
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 634270)
It's in the subject line.

Ahhhhh. Thanks. For some reason, I normally just read the posts. The subject lines are often little quips that don't affect content.

SanDiegoSteve Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:43pm

http://i451.photobucket.com/albums/q...nkeesSuck7.jpg

PeteBooth Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:09pm

Quote:

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkumpire (Post 634258)
You are the PU on this play, what do you call?

Without the benefit of hindsight or replay?

I am very tempted to call him safe anyway, but his arm and body is high enough over the plate a she goes over that I think I could see it. I'd call him out, and then eject about 3 guys who would argue the call.

However, a long time ago, there was a discussion about this on a list serve of umpires put together by Mr. Childress, that Tee and several others on this board were a part of.

As I remember the conversation, there was a consensus that if it is close, with very little space between the runner's arm or body and the plate, call him safe.

Comments?




You are the PU on this play, what do you call?

I call what I see. It's apparent from the replay that the PU did not SEE Howard touch home either OTHERWISE he would have signalled safe right away. It wasn't until Posada threw the ball that the PU gave a casual safe signal. I doubt you learn that kind of a safe signal in PRO school. It looked more like a first year LL umpire safe signal.

On a tag attempt at the plate where the runner misses the plate and the fielder misses the tag there is a NO call to make. At first that is EXACTLY what the PU did. He gave NO signal.

If you want to rule safe then SIGNAL safe 'right away". That is not what the home plate umpire did. The PU did not signal safe UNTIL Posada threw the ball to second base.

It would have been interesting to see what would have happend had the Yanks appealed the play.

Pete Booth

Rich Ives Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeteBooth (Post 634376)
You are the PU on this play, what do you call?

I call what I see. It's apparent from the replay that the PU did not SEE Howard touch home either OTHERWISE he would have signalled safe right away. It wasn't until Posada threw the ball that the PU gave a casual safe signal. I doubt you learn that kind of a safe signal in PRO school. It looked more like a first year LL umpire safe signal.

On a tag attempt at the plate where the runner misses the plate and the fielder misses the tag there is a NO call to make. At first that is EXACTLY what the PU did. He gave NO signal.

If you want to rule safe then SIGNAL safe 'right away". That is not what the home plate umpire did. The PU did not signal safe UNTIL Posada threw the ball to second base.

It would have been interesting to see what would have happend had the Yanks appealed the play.

Pete Booth

Posada had the ball hit his glove but it dribbled away. THAT'S why U1 waited - to make sure where the ball was.

p.s. CC threw the ball.

SanDiegoSteve Tue Nov 03, 2009 03:57pm

Another well-micromanaged umpire call by this austute and august panel of experts.

jkumpire Tue Nov 03, 2009 09:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 634423)
Another well-micromanaged umpire call by this austute and august panel of experts.

I am confused by your post. Please try it again.


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