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Kevin Finnerty Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:51pm

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Originally Posted by RPatrino (Post 627503)
Tball, are you afraid of a coach calling your assignor and effecting your schedule? In all my years of umpiring I have never heard such a ridiculous assertion, that someone would ignore a situation that needed handling, because it might make a coach angry. Unbelievable, as it just doesn't happen where I am.

Coaches have virtually no pull with the assignor in Southern California, either. That coach rating input and coach preference stuff is a thing of the past. My main assignor couldn't care less about what any coach or AD thinks.

And if they did, I would still stand up the same way I do all the time, because I think respecting the game is paramount, and respecting oneself is up there pretty high.

I've had to run a few players from the 18-U and 25-U wood bat leagues, and one came in a game with my assignor (who's also my high school assignor). Another came in a battle-for-first-place game, in which I was lightly assaulted (bumped, beaked, mildly butted, shoved) and the president and assignor immediately agreed to kick the guy out of the league. He was suspended before I got home, and banned before I finished my report.

The result of standing up and respecting The Game and demanding respect for it: The assignor gave me two championship games with his own crew. That's how that guy backs his umpires, and that's why I drive farther to work for him. Every now and then, you get to drive to some stadium for a championship game.

Rich Mon Sep 28, 2009 07:14am

I stood up to a bully HS football coach 5 years ago and I haven't gotten a game in that conference (football or basketball) since. I do work baseball since another guy assigns that for the conference.

While I regret that the assignor is a small minded man who has no clue what makes a good official, I'll simply have to make do not working his conference. There are plenty others.

Funny thing - I work non-conference games football/basketball games at those conference schools since those area assigned by the ADs and schools themselves. I'm good enough for them, I guess.

RogersUmp Mon Sep 28, 2009 01:06pm

Same as drawing in the dirt?
 
Would you guys consider motioning with the hand below the knee the same as drawing in the dirt with your bat?

I was getting ready to toss a kid for doing it but his 3rd base coach came running, screaming at me before I had a chance so I tossed the coach.

Ump153 Mon Sep 28, 2009 01:16pm

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Originally Posted by RogersUmp (Post 627670)
Would you guys consider motioning with the hand below the knee the same as drawing in the dirt with your bat?

Yep.

mbyron Mon Sep 28, 2009 02:14pm

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Originally Posted by RogersUmp (Post 627670)
Would you guys consider motioning with the hand below the knee the same as drawing in the dirt with your bat?

I was getting ready to toss a kid for doing it but his 3rd base coach came running, screaming at me before I had a chance so I tossed the coach.

1. Yes.

2. Sounds like you were too slow running the batter. Did you have to wind up, or maybe stretch first?

3. Was there some reason that they both did not deserve to go?

spokanelurker Mon Sep 28, 2009 03:01pm

No doubt about it
 
I'm a long-time coach, and if one of my kids did either of those things and didn't get tossed, the PU wouldn't be backing up what I try to teach, which is show up, shut up, and play. If there's any beef with an umpire, it'll be mine, but I guarantee there wouldn't be one on something like this.

ASA/NYSSOBLUE Mon Sep 28, 2009 08:38pm

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Originally Posted by RogersUmp (Post 627670)
Would you guys consider motioning with the hand below the knee the same as drawing in the dirt with your bat?

I was getting ready to toss a kid for doing it but his 3rd base coach came running, screaming at me before I had a chance so I tossed the coach.

There is actually a funny story about just that involving Johnny Bench. I forget who the two umps supposedly were, but Bench was catching and the P was asking where the called balls were, and Bench wasn't saying anything - like he should. After the half inning, the 1B ump comes in and tells the PU that Bench was using his hands to tell the P if he thought the pitches the PU was calling were either wrong high or wrong low. So Bench comes up and the first pitch to him almost bounces in the dirt and PU calls it a strike - loudly, so Bench asks where it was and the PU just holds his hand about waist high....:D

ASA/NYSSOBLUE Mon Sep 28, 2009 08:39pm

It should also be mentioned belatedly that Ichiro's ejection was also the first one for ANY Mariner player all season....

johnnyg08 Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:01pm

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Originally Posted by ASA/NYSSOBLUE (Post 627749)
It should also be mentioned belatedly that Ichiro's ejection was also the first one for ANY Mariner player all season....

Impressive. I don't know the answer, but has an MLB team ever gone an entire season w/o an ejection?

DG Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:48pm

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Originally Posted by johnnyg08 (Post 627764)
Impressive. I don't know the answer, but has an MLB team ever gone an entire season w/o an ejection?

If news article is correct:

"The Mariners came within seven games of becoming the first Major League team since 1994 to go through an entire season without having someone ejected.

The Twins had perfect deportment during the strike-shortened '94 season."

ozzy6900 Tue Sep 29, 2009 07:22am

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Originally Posted by spokanelurker (Post 627708)
I'm a long-time coach, and if one of my kids did either of those things and didn't get tossed, the PU wouldn't be backing up what I try to teach, which is show up, shut up, and play. If there's any beef with an umpire, it'll be mine, but I guarantee there wouldn't be one on something like this.

That's nice to hear from a coach.

Welpe Tue Sep 29, 2009 03:39pm

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Originally Posted by DG (Post 627768)
The Twins had perfect deportment during the strike-shortened '94 season.

The Twins won't have a chance at enjoying that record again as long as Gardenshire is managing.

johnnyg08 Tue Sep 29, 2009 07:16pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 627890)
The Twins won't have a chance at enjoying that record again as long as Gardenshire is managing.

That's for sure!!!

umpduck11 Tue Sep 29, 2009 07:23pm

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Originally Posted by RogersUmp (Post 627670)
Would you guys consider motioning with the hand below the knee the same as drawing in the dirt with your bat?

I was getting ready to toss a kid for doing it but his 3rd base coach came running, screaming at me before I had a chance so I tossed the coach.

Around here, that's called a "two-for-one special". No way is that coach coming running going to save his kid.

DG Wed Sep 30, 2009 09:33pm

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Originally Posted by RogersUmp (Post 627670)
Would you guys consider motioning with the hand below the knee the same as drawing in the dirt with your bat?

I was getting ready to toss a kid for doing it but his 3rd base coach came running, screaming at me before I had a chance so I tossed the coach.

What was he screaming?


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