Petco umps?
 

Anyone know who umped the HS allstar game at Petco Park that was on FSM tonight?

JJ

I do know that it was not my high school association, because we neither wear numbers or black shirts, plus I didn't recognize anybody. I put a call in to my assignor to see if he knows who these guys are. I'll let you know what I find out.

Dang it! I forgot this was on tonight. I had planned on watching it.

How many umpires did they use - 6?

Turn it on now, it's bottom of 9.

Looks like 3 man. I was watching LL Regional and wasn't paying much attention to this game.

Correction: It's 4 man.

Ah crap, they're using the California Tie Breaker. I hate the California Tie Breaker.:rolleyes:

what's california tie breaker?

A product of our Little League program, got the game tying triple, and MVP award. He's a witch at SS.

Start the inning with R2 & no outs.

They played one extra inning. They started with the bases loaded and one out. The game ended in a 4-4 tie after 10 innings. I don't think that is the California tie breaker.

Yeah, for once you are right. Thank you for correcting me. Guess that makes us even for the day.

SoCal has the correct answer on this one. This must have been their own special tie breaker. Hey it's been awhile since I last had a CTB, but it's used here in many tournaments.

The umpires are out of Cedar Rapids, Iowa and provided by Perfect Game USA.

Hmm...I might know them then (since I umpire in CR a lot)...I'll see if I can find anything out.

-Josh

Why would they start with one out?

Don't they want runs to score?

yes, but they also want the game to be kept moving, esp when it's a tournament and they want to stay on schedule.

Exactly.

So, start with no outs so we can have a run scored SOONER. Bases loaded is stupid, also (in softball, it is runner on second no outs) why make it EASIER to get a guy out at home? I am not a big fan of tiebreakers, either...but if you are going to do them, they should at least accomplish the goal.

"California" tie-breaker. Ha! :D

It's been a common practice everywhere in softball for years.

Joe is right: we start with no outs so it's easier to score a run and actually end the game. :p

Seth, I think we know that one as the International Tie Breaker, huh? ;)

Well, that's what it's called here, and in other states as well. It's an actual designation. I most certainly didn't make it up.

Here is from both the California Games and Triple Crown Baseball rules:

Tie-Breaker System: If a game is tied after all innings have been completed (or at a time limit), the "California" tie-breaker rule will go into effect. Each team puts the batter who is scheduled to bat last in that respective half of the inning on second base and plays out a full inning. This happens until the tie is broken and the game is complete.

This is from the Sam Bass (Round Rock, Texas) Tournament Rules:

GAMES THAT END IN A TIE

If a game ends in a tie after the completion of all regulation innings, and the time limit has not expired, one more inning may be played. Otherwise, California tiebreaker goes into effect till game is won. (Exception is pool play, a tie stands after time expires)

California Tie Breaker Rule

a. The last batter from the previous inning will take second base (visiting team), and there will be NO outs charged against the batting team.

b. The batting (visiting) team will bring the next batter in their lineup, and then subsequent batters in the lineup (if needed) in an attempt to score. This half of the inning continues until the third out is made.

c. The home team will play their half of the inning in the same manner.

d. The game proceeds in this manner FOR ONE INNING.

e. The 2nd inning, The last batter from the previous inning will take second base (visiting team), and there will be ONE out charged against the batting team.

f. The 3RD inning, The last batter from the previous inning will take second
base (visiting team), and there will be TWO outs charged against the
batting team. The game proceeds in this manner UNTIL A WINNER IS
DETERMINED.

This is from the Lafayette (Indiana) Lightning Tournament Rules:

No game will end in a tie. California Tie Breaker rules apply if after 6 innings the score is tied. A new inning will be started and, the last batted out for the visitors will be placed at 2nd base. The next batter in the order will begin with a 1-1 count and 1 out. After 3 outs the Home team will follow the same procedure until a winner is determined.

Steve, he's laughing because this has been around softball for a long time (longer than baseball I would venture) and is commonly known as the International Tie Breaker.

Although it's hard for some inhabitants to believe, California isn't really the leader in everything. (Except maybe bankrupt governments and idiot voters):D

It's even second in earthquakes.

Petco crew
 

That crew was from National Umpires Association a group I belong to here in Georgia.

With regards to the California tie-breaker.....we have a D1 school here that plays a Fall intrasquad Series. If any game is tied at the end of 9 innings, every batter after that starts with a full count until the game is decided. Goes pretty quickly....

JJ

Here you go...

Gary Maxwell from Kingsport, TN PU
Jim Stros- Woodstock, GE U1
James Gorden-Carrollton, GE U3
Rick Phillips Kennesaw, GE U2

This was the 2009 AFLAC All American Game

Hey, I'm from California and I are not an idiot.

What state is abbreviated "GE?" Do you mean GA?

Geez. Now, I am offended that my state was misabbreviated. :rolleyes:

He didn't mean Georgia. He meant Gennessee. :D

Do you mean Genesee, as in Genesee Valley, Genesee River, Genesee County (NY) and of course, Genesee Beer and Cream Ale?

Could be Genesee Avenue in San Diego.

No, Gennessee -- you know, the state just south of Gentucky and north of Galabama? :D