Surprised I haven't seen this ejection clip

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

1. I've done countless games on big fields and I can't remember the last time I paid any attention to the outfielders. No need to.

So have I, and I've never noticed the outfielders show violent displeasure with any of my calls, or they would be tossed if they kept it up, which apparently Victorrino did.

Originally Posted by gordon30307

2. Raising his arms how do we know for sure it was directed at the PU. I agree it probably was but still maybe it wasn't.

Maybe I'm the Pope, but I'll bet you that I'm not. It was directed at the PU, and it wasn't the first time either.

Originally Posted by gordon30307

3. IMHO it was the dumbest ejection I've seen in MLB.

I've seen dumber. Ed Rapuano is a long time veteran and a fantastic umpire. A friend of mine went to Harry's with him in 1985 and said he was terrific way back then. He had a good reason to eject the Victorato or he wouldn't have done it.

Originally Posted by Ump153

There was history between the centerfielder and umpire during that game. Even the little old lady sitting in the top deck knew what was going on. Even the player's manager knew what was going on.

The centerfielder decided to draw everyone's attention to him with his demonstration and got dumped for it. No different than F1 acting up or Batter demonstrating. Players don't get a free pass on Rat behavior just because they are in the outfield.

Thank you, Mr. Voice of Reason!

Originally Posted by GA Umpire

I don't look for outfielders or any infielders myself. But, if I happen to be looking in that direction for some reason, then I am going to notice it. And, CF is pretty close to where I am looking all the time. And, I'm sure the rat knew that as well.

Maybe it was the dumbest EJ. Maybe he shouldn't have done it. Maybe, just maybe, the rat should have kept his hands down and none of this would have happened. It's easy to blame the umpire. But, why not blame the one who caused the whole issue in the first place? Maybe, wait for it... wait for it... the rat who threw his hands up in CF.

Why do so many look at the umpires as being at fault and not the rat who started it all? I just can't believe how many free passes are given to the rats. What is it? So many say the umpire has thin skin, and I agree so much has to be overlooked as an umpire. But, when one does something like this, then why is that rat looked at as an innocent bystander?

CF rat: "I was just minding my own business in CF and the next thing I know, I am going to the parking lot."

Maybe, if they wouldn't act like rats, they wouldn't get treated like one. I guess now, it is OK for them to demonstrate in the outfield since it is not in the dugout or on the mound.

Where does the line get drawn with some? And, I merely pointed out F1 b/c I would like to know where some actually draw the line and stop some of this "arguing balls and strikes".

Thank you Voice of Reason II.

Originally Posted by LDUB

I don't find the statement offensive, the only thing I have against it is that is is very dumb. He is acting as if the umpire did something wrong by ejecting the fielder. I guess he just doesn't get it.

Thank you Voice of Reason III. Damn, I can't believe I agree with Luke!

At MLB level have you ever seen an outfielder in center field ejected?

Yes, we just saw it, but having seen it before is irrelevant to the discussion. The fact that it may be without precedent has no bearing on the legitimacy of the ejection.

[gordon30307]

Finally an ejection "worth discussing." I still think it was a dumb one but valid opposing points were raised. No more routine ejection clips.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

Finally an ejection "worth discussing." I still think it was a dumb one but valid opposing points were raised. No more routine ejection clips.

Let's say you call a strike at the bottom of the zone and the batter gives you crap about it. After his at bat, he gives you more crap about it. And you tell him that's enough.

Then, he comes out to pitch and you call a ball on what he thinks is the same pitch, he begins jumping up and down, yelling at you, and waving his arms in disgust.

Dump him?

Okay, now place him in CF instead of on the mound. Does distance excuse his behavior?

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Let's say you call a strike at the bottom of the zone and the batter gives you crap about it. After his at bat, he gives you more crap about it. And you tell him that's enough.

Then, he comes out to pitch and you call a ball on what he thinks is the same pitch, he begins jumping up and down, yelling at you, and waving his arms in disgust.

Dump him?

Okay, now place him in CF instead of on the mound. Does distance excuse his behavior?

It will never happen. He would be dumped before he made it to the bench.

[aceholleran]

Gestures say quite a bit. And Eddie Rap is my boy, so I have his back.

Harrumph,

Ace

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

It will never happen. He would be dumped before he made it to the bench.

So then, you can understand dumping him for less demonstrative behavior up close, but you can't understand dumping him for more demonstrative berhavior 300' away.

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

So then, you can understand dumping him for less demonstrative behaivor up close, but you can't understand dumping him for more demonstrative berhavior 300' away.

You presented a scenario, hypothetical play, whatever you want to call it. And I told you how I would handle it. As presented it would never come to that.

In the numerous games that I have done I have never had to eject a player in the outfield. First time I have ever seen or heard of this. If the occaision ever arises I would JUMP at the opportunity. It would be a great "war story." So good it would be hard to top.

[MrUmpire]

I have never before seen an umpire eject a centerfielder either; however, neither have I ever before seen a centerfielder display ejectable behavior.

[BigTex]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

It will never happen. He would be dumped before he made it to the bench.

Maybe he didn't say/do enough to get dumped before he got to the bench.

[Delaware Blue]

I heard Charlie Manuel interviewed on Sirius XM yesterday. He said he understood the ejection and basically Victorino crossed a line he should not have crossed by "showing up" the umpire for all to see. Manuel said that Victorino needed to learn to control his behavior on the field.

[SanDiegoSteve]

All this talk about rats and controlling them has triggered a rat control advertisement on the banner! Funny stuff!

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by BigTex

Maybe he didn't say/do enough to get dumped before he got to the bench.

Readings a skill. In my game he's gone.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

How pray tell can you dump the center fielder for arguing balls and strikes?Thousands of people their how can you hear the guy? What exactly was the center fielder doing that caused him to get dumped?

Originally Posted by gordon30307

1. I've done countless games on big fields and I can't remember the last time I paid any attention to the outfielders. No need to.

2. Raising his arms how do we know for sure it was directed at the PU. I agree it probably was but still maybe it wasn't.

3. IMHO it was the dumbest ejection I've seen in MLB.

Originally Posted by gordon30307

Here comes the FU Ball. If and I mean if you're working a level where the players get it. If it's high school and below I might send the catcher out or I might dump him. Depends on the circumstances.

Originally Posted by gordon30307

Obviously something was going on. I'm not being a jerk here but do you know what was going on. I've never seen this before and I'm just trying to understand what happened.

Originally Posted by gordon30307

Finally an ejection "worth discussing." I still think it was a dumb one but valid opposing points were raised. No more routine ejection clips.

Originally Posted by gordon30307

It will never happen. He would be dumped before he made it to the bench.

Originally Posted by gordon30307

You presented a scenario, hypothetical play, whatever you want to call it. And I told you how I would handle it. As presented it would never come to that.

In the numerous games that I have done I have never had to eject a player in the outfield. First time I have ever seen or heard of this. If the occaision ever arises I would JUMP at the opportunity. It would be a great "war story." So good it would be hard to top.

Originally Posted by gordon30307

Readings a skill. In my game he's gone.

Yeah, we all read what ya wrote. You started out by saying how could an umpire do this and what a stupid ejection it was, and blathered on and on about it. Then, after saying it was the dumbest ejection you've ever seen (without knowing any facts), you then tried to say that you were "just trying to understand what happened." Then later you said if you had the same opportunity, you would jump on it and what a great war story it would be. Then you wonder why we can't figure out what your problem with this ejection is.