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thumpferee Wed Jul 22, 2009 09:48am

How would you feel?
 
If you were in the rotation for the playoffs, having the losers bracket game and the IF game, but were taken off the final because you ejected a HC in the losers bracket game, how would you react?

The ejection was warranted. It's a long story but the words "f@ck" and "you" were used in the same sentence. And the coach gets to coach the next game and the final,while I get the boot.

I'm thinking I just called my last game with this organization!

Bishopcolle Wed Jul 22, 2009 09:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by thumpferee (Post 616207)
If you were in the rotation for the playoffs, having the losers bracket game and the IF game, but were taken off the final because you ejected a HC in the losers bracket game, how would you react?

The ejection was warranted. It's a long story but the words "f@ck" and "you" were used in the same sentence. And the coach gets to coach the next game and the final,while I get the boot.

I'm thinking I just called my last game with this organization!

I think you have a right to feel badly...However, unless the tourney has a game-suspension clause (and most don't), I see why the ADs would want to avoid using you when they have options to use other umps....not a reflection on you or your abilities, or your call....Just situation awareness, and problem avoidance....He HAS to be there, and you don't. Also, the ADs probably feel that the Coach is immature enough to continue to be a problem, which would probably be more true with your presence....Hence, while not fair, I feel it is at least understandable....IMO...

GA Umpire Wed Jul 22, 2009 09:54am

I would have. Time to go elsewhere. And, if there is no where else to go, then time to go fishing.:D

GA Umpire Wed Jul 22, 2009 09:57am

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Originally Posted by Bishopcolle (Post 616209)
I think you have a right to feel badly...However, unless the tourney has a game-suspension clause (and most don't), I see why the ADs would want to avoid using you when they have options to use other umps....not a reflection on you or your abilities, or your call....Just situation awareness, and problem avoidance....He HAS to be there, and you don't. Also, the ADs probably feel that the Coach is immature enough to continue to be a problem, which would probably be more true with your presence....Hence, while not fair, I feel it is at least understandable....IMO...

If I get pulled, then I better get put on another game with better or equal perks immediately or I am done with them.

Lose money, lose the chance to call a game, and the coach gets to come back with no recourse = Me done completely

If anyone should be done, it is him. And, if he does anything in the next game, then he just gets EJ again. No big deal.

Kevin Finnerty Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:29am

If I am the umpire taking your place, I'm running the guy the first time he says either of the words "what" or "where."

ozzy6900 Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:19am

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Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty (Post 616221)
If I am the umpire taking your place, I'm running the guy the first time he says either of the words "what" or "where."

I would do the same! As a matter of fact, knowing my attitude, I would probably find a way to eject him at the plate meeting! :eek:

Tom H. Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:30am

I can relate to your feelings. In 2008 my HS assoc. assigned me to a 2nd round game in the play offs -- after 3 years of only getting 1st rounds this year (4th year in a row that I was in some sort of playoff game). Well, I too had a EJ in this game.
Move to 2009 playoffs and I am not even on the list of umpires elegible for a game (list does not ensure a game assignment). Of course I had lots of questions on this and feel that I got a run around and lots of political answers (the worst was that it was MY fault - no board members 'knew' me!). Yet I was able to decern that it was the EJ that worked against me.
Looking into a unit near by to join.
Tom

Ump153 Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty (Post 616221)
If I am the umpire taking your place, I'm running the guy the first time he says either of the words "what" or "where."

You are to be commended on the evolution of your attitude towards ejections over the past six months. Good job.

Kevin Finnerty Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:39am

Wow, you made a post with some sarcasm, but no cheap, profane name-calling. You too are to be commended.

Ump153 Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty (Post 616242)
Wow, you made a post with some sarcasm, but no cheap, profane name-calling. You too are to be commended.

Absolutely no sarcasm. I respond as treated and do not call people profane names.

Gaff Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:44am

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Originally Posted by Tom H. (Post 616235)
I can relate to your feelings. In 2008 my HS assoc. assigned me to a 2nd round game in the play offs -- after 3 years of only getting 1st rounds this year (4th year in a row that I was in some sort of playoff game). Well, I too had a EJ in this game.
Move to 2009 playoffs and I am not even on the list of umpires elegible for a game (list does not ensure a game assignment). Of course I had lots of questions on this and feel that I got a run around and lots of political answers (the worst was that it was MY fault - no board members 'knew' me!). Yet I was able to decern that it was the EJ that worked against me.
Looking into a unit near by to join.
Tom

Goodbye Long Beach-Hello OCBOA

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Jul 22, 2009 04:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by thumpferee (Post 616207)
If you were in the rotation for the playoffs, having the losers bracket game and the IF game, but were taken off the final because you ejected a HC in the losers bracket game, how would you react?

The ejection was warranted. It's a long story but the words "f@ck" and "you" were used in the same sentence. And the coach gets to coach the next game and the final,while I get the boot.

I'm thinking I just called my last game with this organization!



I don't know what type of tournament in which you were umpiring, but if you were scheduled to umpire, I would be telling the TD that if he doesn't want me to umpire then pay me. BUT my bigger concern is didn't the rest of the umpires in this tournament have the intestinal fortitude to tell the TD that either you umpire or every umpire in the tournament walks immediately.]

If I was one of your partner in the rotation, I would have walked with you.

MTD, Sr.

KJUmp Wed Jul 22, 2009 06:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by thumpferee (Post 616207)
If you were in the rotation for the playoffs, having the losers bracket game and the IF game, but were taken off the final because you ejected a HC in the losers bracket game, how would you react?

The ejection was warranted. It's a long story but the words "f@ck" and "you" were used in the same sentence. And the coach gets to coach the next game and the final,while I get the boot.

I'm thinking I just called my last game with this organization!

You got thrown under the bus...plain and simple. If I'm you...I'm off to greener and hopefully more supportive pastures.

johnnyg08 Wed Jul 22, 2009 07:50pm

I should've simply added to your thread.

SanDiegoSteve Wed Jul 22, 2009 08:22pm

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Originally Posted by johnnyg08 (Post 616295)
I should've simply added to your thread.

It's not too late. Copy and paste your post and quote the one after you in a paste, then delete the other thread. Go ahead, you can do it! You can do it all night long!!!:)

tballump Thu Jul 23, 2009 07:22pm

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 616273)
BUT my bigger concern is didn't the rest of the umpires in this tournament have the intestinal fortitude to tell the TD that either you umpire or every umpire in the tournament walks immediately.]

If I was one of your partner in the rotation, I would have walked with you.

MTD, Sr.

There should be tons of replies to this response? Where are they?

mbyron Thu Jul 23, 2009 07:25pm

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Originally Posted by tballump (Post 616493)
There should be tons of replies to this response? Where are they?

Like what? "That's not really your opinion." ?

kcg NC2Ablu Fri Jul 24, 2009 05:07am

another case of not having umpire advocate assignors. I was working an tourney and there was someone ejected. The Host brang that person back from the parking lot and let them sit there and watch the game with all the fans. as I walked off many threats to kick my a$$ were issued. I kindly reminded the team from NY that they were in backwoods virginia;).

Rich Fri Jul 24, 2009 05:29am

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 616273)
I don't know what type of tournament in which you were umpiring, but if you were scheduled to umpire, I would be telling the TD that if he doesn't want me to umpire then pay me. BUT my bigger concern is didn't the rest of the umpires in this tournament have the intestinal fortitude to tell the TD that either you umpire or every umpire in the tournament walks immediately.]

If I was one of your partner in the rotation, I would have walked with you.

MTD, Sr.

If it was clear that he was removed from an already-made assignment for this, I wouldn't have worked either. We'd find a bar. Let them umpire their own game.

thumpferee Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:17am

Thank You All!

I'm glad my feelings were true and I wasn't over-reacting. I went to the game, it was a Sr. Legion Championship game, which I found out during the game that the coach I tossed called the commish and requested I not be on the game. He told the plate ump this at the plate meeting, unbelievable right? Anyway, I have since told the commish I wouldn't be back next year.

Anyone looking for an experienced baseball official? lol

SanDiegoSteve Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:56pm

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Originally Posted by thumpferee (Post 617404)
Thank You All!

I'm glad my feelings were true and I wasn't over-reacting. I went to the game, it was a Sr. Legion Championship game, which I found out during the game that the coach I tossed called the commish and requested I not be on the game. He told the plate ump this at the plate meeting, unbelievable right? Anyway, I have since told the commish I wouldn't be back next year.

Anyone looking for an experienced baseball official? lol

the PU should have dumped him immediately for saying such a thing. Congratulations on telling the commish where he can stick his league.

Always need good officials here in S.D. Also, our assigner backs up his umpires. He doesn't like rats much to begin with. If a coach says he doesn't want you on his games, Bob will send you back there for the next three! He doesn't intimidate easily. Here, an American Legion commissioner would not have any say-so in who worked the Championship game, the assignment secretary is the one who decides who works what.

tballump Tue Jul 28, 2009 09:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 617457)
Always need good officials here in S.D. Also, our assigner backs up his umpires. He doesn't like rats much to begin with. If a coach says he doesn't want you on his games, Bob will send you back there for the next three!

Isn't this what a smart (are there any) coach would do if he really liked an official. Just call up and complain about the official and you get him for the next 3.

DG Tue Jul 28, 2009 09:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by thumpferee (Post 617404)
Thank You All!

I'm glad my feelings were true and I wasn't over-reacting. I went to the game, it was a Sr. Legion Championship game, which I found out during the game that the coach I tossed called the commish and requested I not be on the game. He told the plate ump this at the plate meeting, unbelievable right? Anyway, I have since told the commish I wouldn't be back next year.

I am speculating, but I expect if my assignor was told to scratch you because of a legitimate toss you would be on the plate for his next game with instructions to toss the sorry rat at will, preferably early.

SanDiegoSteve Tue Jul 28, 2009 09:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tballump (Post 617590)
Isn't this what a smart (are there any) coach would do if he really liked an official. Just call up and complain about the official and you get him for the next 3.

So that's how I got Monte Vista HS twice a week, huh?;)

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by DG (Post 617591)
I am speculating, but I expect if my assignor was told to scratch you because of a legitimate toss you would be on the plate for his next game with instructions to toss the sorry rat at will, preferably early.



Years and years and year ago, I was on the women's basketball officiating staff of a jr. college conference. One year I officiated a game in the NJCAA regionals in which the losing team (and I mean they got smoked) was from this conference. As my partner (who did not officiate in this conference) and I were leaving the court the losing coach ran toward us and yelled at me that I would never officiate in her league again.

When I got home that night I let my assigner know what she said. I had her four times the next season including three games at home, :D.

MTD, Sr.

DonInKansas Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:53pm

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Originally Posted by thumpferee (Post 617404)

Anyone looking for an experienced baseball official? lol

I think there was a news story somewhere on the shortage of umpires in Western Kansas. I'll take the field with ya, amigo.:)

JJ Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:02am

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 617595)
As my partner (who did not officiate in this conference) and I were leaving the court the losing coach ran toward us and yelled at me that I would never officiate in her league again.
:D.

MTD, Sr.

Reminds me of the GREAT umpire line (as a response to that coach), "Good, then I won't lose any playoff games." :rolleyes:

JJ

johnnyg08 Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:06am

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Originally Posted by JJ (Post 617661)
Reminds me of the GREAT umpire line (as a response to that coach), "Good, then I won't lose any playoff games." :rolleyes:

JJ

That's a good one! I've never heard that one before.

GA Umpire Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ (Post 617661)
Reminds me of the GREAT umpire line (as a response to that coach), "Good, then I won't lose any playoff games." :rolleyes:

JJ

But, the coach may not get it since it does require a little bit of thought process. :D

Rich Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:59am

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Originally Posted by GA Umpire (Post 617704)
But, the coach may not get it since it does require a little bit of thought process. :D

Just like:

Coach: That's two you blew!

Umpire: Knock it off. You're not going to be around to count to four.

johnnyg08 Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:05pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 617714)
Just like:

Coach: That's two you blew!

Umpire: Knock it off. You're not going to be around to count to four.

Where have these been? These are excellent lines!


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