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scarolinablue Tue Jul 14, 2009 08:22pm

All-Star Game - DeMuth
 
OK, two very interesting things I observed in the first inning:

1) Is the 20-second timeout mechanic being taught in pro-school? That's exactly the first signal made after Jeter was hit on the hands. (On a side note, at least McCarver didn't say the hands were a part of the bat :D).

2) Since he's miked for sound, DeMuth is distinctly giving the location of many of the ball calls (I know I've heard "outside" and "ball down"). Any defenders out there for this...seems like little league to me!

jacks19 Tue Jul 14, 2009 08:49pm

Is he trying to immitate Durwood Merrill with that set up, he wasnt doin that before lol... Timmons appeared to call a foul ball for the National leaguers in the 2nd instead he called for a dead ball because it jumped into the stands, way too confusing for Buck and McCarver

Kevin Finnerty Tue Jul 14, 2009 08:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by scarolinablue (Post 614660)
OK, two very interesting things I observed in the first inning:

1) Is the 20-second timeout mechanic being taught in pro-school? That's exactly the first signal made after Jeter was hit on the hands. (On a side note, at least McCarver didn't say the hands were a part of the bat :D).

I WAS WAITING!
Quote:

Originally Posted by scarolinablue (Post 614660)
2) Since he's miked for sound, DeMuth is distinctly giving the location of many of the ball calls (I know I've heard "outside" and "ball down"). Any defenders out there for this...seems like little league to me!

There's an NCAA guy around here who does that on every close pitch. I can't really stand it.

Kevin Finnerty Tue Jul 14, 2009 09:08pm

McCarver: "[On that play] Utley had several things with which to cope."

SanDiegoSteve Tue Jul 14, 2009 09:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jacks19 (Post 614665)
Is he trying to immitate Durwood Merrill with that set up, he wasnt doin that before lol...

Yeah, looks like DeMuth has changed a lot of stuff, including hammering called strikes. He used to point in the opposite side of the batter.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jacks19 (Post 614665)
Timmons appeared to call a foul ball for the National leaguers in the 2nd instead he called for a dead ball because it jumped into the stands, way too confusing for Buck and McCarver

Timmons could have been more clear, and mixed in a fair point before killing the ball, since that is the usual mechanic in this case. I mean, the ball was only a couple of feet fair, certainly worth a point I would think.

Yeah, he confused Buck, who said that two hands in the air usually means foul ball. Get a clue...what about Time and Ball out of Play? I'm wondering if he's adopted!:rolleyes:

zm1283 Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by scarolinablue (Post 614660)
OK, two very interesting things I observed in the first inning:

1) Is the 20-second timeout mechanic being taught in pro-school? That's exactly the first signal made after Jeter was hit on the hands. (On a side note, at least McCarver didn't say the hands were a part of the bat :D).

It's a 30-second timeout now. :D

SanDiegoSteve Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:21pm

Once again, the Senior Circuit has let me down. Thanks a lot Bell. Way to represent San Diego.:(

socalblue1 Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by scarolinablue (Post 614660)
OK, two very interesting things I observed in the first inning:

Since he's miked for sound, DeMuth is distinctly giving the location of many of the ball calls (I know I've heard "outside" and "ball down"). Any defenders out there for this...seems like little league to me!

It's fairly common in pro ball. Cuts way down on the chatter from the dugout & let's F1/F2 settle in to the PU's zone. Given the number of subs in a game like this it's an easy way to make things go smooth & easy.

Rich Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:11am

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Originally Posted by socalblue1 (Post 614677)
It's fairly common in pro ball. Cuts way down on the chatter from the dugout & let's F1/F2 settle in to the PU's zone. Given the number of subs in a game like this it's an easy way to make things go smooth & easy.

Frankly, as I get older I find myself doing this occasionally. Hasn't been a problem yet. I try not to do it on every pitch or in a way where it sounds like I'm justifying a call.

SethPDX Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:17am

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 614676)
Once again, the Senior Circuit has let me down. Thanks a lot Bell. Way to represent San Diego.:(

Seeing as they snatched him from the Beavers right after he made the PCL team for what would be an All-Star Game in his hometown, the least the Padres could do is give Mike Ekstrom a try. ;)

I got my usual great seat at good old Civic Stadium for the AAA game tomorrow night. Can't wait.

SanDiegoSteve Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:27am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SethPDX (Post 614683)
Seeing as they snatched him from the Beavers right after he made the PCL team for what would be an All-Star Game in his hometown, the least the Padres could do is give Mike Ekstrom a try. ;)

I got my usual great seat at good old Civic Stadium for the AAA game tomorrow night. Can't wait.

I can't find a TV listing for the game. Isn't on TV this year? I usually watch that one, and the AA game. The Futures game the other night was fun.

SethPDX Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:39am

I thought it was on one of the ESPN networks.

socalblue1 Wed Jul 15, 2009 05:13am

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 614682)
Frankly, as I get older I find myself doing this occasionally. Hasn't been a problem yet. I try not to do it on every pitch or in a way where it sounds like I'm justifying a call.

For me I will on the close ones early. For the most part an F2 with a clue figures things out quickly & goes with the flow. From that point he (F2) carries the message to F1 / bench "Bring it up a bit Joe", etc.

Rcichon Wed Jul 15, 2009 06:29am

ball location
 
Ball: most of the time (for inside or outside), I'll look in the direction the pitch was after F2 catches it. That's the only indicator I'll give unless the batter asks directly.

ozzy6900 Wed Jul 15, 2009 06:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 614676)
Once again, the Senior Circuit has let me down. Thanks a lot Bell. Way to represent San Diego.:(

Heh, heh, heh! :cool: Sorry we got you again but hey maybe you will win next year! Bwaahahahahahah!

Take heart, SDS, I still hate the DH! :D:D

SanDiegoSteve Wed Jul 15, 2009 09:13am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rcichon (Post 614700)
Ball: most of the time (for inside or outside), I'll look in the direction the pitch was after F2 catches it. That's the only indicator I'll give unless the batter asks directly.

This is how I do it too. I don't want to start calling out location for fear of overdoing it and sounding like a play-by-play announcer.

Rcichon Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:23am

It wasn't my idea
 
but something I learned from following this forum.

Don't remember who posted it but thanks!

Rcichon Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:35am

I turn the channel off.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jacks19 (Post 614665)
Is he trying to immitate Durwood Merrill with that set up, he wasnt doin that before lol... Timmons appeared to call a foul ball for the National leaguers in the 2nd instead he called for a dead ball because it jumped into the stands, way too confusing for Buck and McCarver

After watching Buck drool over himself interviewing barak, I had to change the station. I was so disgusted with these oafs. And why do I want to watch the president make stupid during the All Star Game? Oh yeah, I didn't.

I sent Fox hate emails on that one. Purely disgusted! More than the usual knowing McCarver's and Buck's ignorance level is already pegging the meter!

JMHO:mad::mad:

P.S.: sorry for the hijack....

renrodb Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:55pm

[QUOTE=scarolinablue;614660]OK, two very interesting things I observed in the first inning:
"Jeter was hit on the hands"
Did anyone else hear the clunk of the bat knob. How did DeMuth determine the ball hit Jeter and not the bat?

SanDiegoSteve Wed Jul 15, 2009 01:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rcichon (Post 614765)
After watching Buck drool over himself interviewing barak, I had to change the station. I was so disgusted with these oafs. And why do I want to watch the president make stupid during the All Star Game? Oh yeah, I didn't.

I sent Fox hate emails on that one. Purely disgusted! More than the usual knowing McCarver's and Buck's ignorance level is already pegging the meter!

JMHO:mad::mad:

P.S.: sorry for the hijack....

What was particularly disgusting was the interview of Joe Buck right in the middle of Adrian Gonzalez during the Home Run Derby.

Instead of giving the respect due Gonzalez while he is batting and focusing on him, ESPN decided to force Chris Berman, and the always obnoxious Joe Morgan to ask the most inane, repetitious questions of Joe Buck. They did the obligatory questions about Jack Buck, and of course Morgan chimes in with "I remember working for your daddy....." Puleeze!!! Meanwhile, they briefly cut back to see how Adrian is doing in between questions and then it's, "oh Adrian Gozalez has 9 outs and 2 HR, oh that's the 10th out, and he's out..." They did not disrespect any other participant in this fashion. They gave Fielder, Pujols, Howard and everyone else their full attention. Nobody gave interviews in the middle of their time batting.

Why ESPN chose that particular time for a shameless attempt for ratings with a Joe Buck interview is beyond me. I was absolutely furious, as were many other San Diegans, as is evident by all the criticism leveled at ESPN on the local sports talk radio shows. Just unbelievable disrespect.

SanDiegoSteve Wed Jul 15, 2009 01:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by renrodb (Post 614803)
"Jeter was hit on the hands"
Did anyone else hear the clunk of the bat knob. How did DeMuth determine the ball hit Jeter and not the bat?

DeMuth ruled that the ball hit Jeter's hand first, then the knob, or else simultaneously, which is a HBP.

mbyron Wed Jul 15, 2009 02:02pm

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 614807)
DeMuth ruled that the ball hit Jeter's hand first, then the knob, or else simultaneously, which is a HBP.

Not responsive.

kylejt Wed Jul 15, 2009 02:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by scarolinablue (Post 614660)
DeMuth is distinctly giving the location of many of the ball calls (I know I've heard "outside" and "ball down"). Any defenders out there for this...seems like little league to me!


Whoa! I teach LL umpires, and I'll step on the neck of those that are so insecure about their calls that they need to explain them by calling location. All it does it induce arguing. "THAT WASN'T DOWN!", as opposed to leaving them guessing. "maybe it was outside".

SanDiegoSteve Wed Jul 15, 2009 02:46pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 614819)
Not responsive.

What do you mean, Kimosabe?

Okay, is this better: He must have seen it with his eyes.

Ump Rube Wed Jul 15, 2009 02:52pm

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Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 614833)
Whoa! I teach LL umpires, and I'll step on the neck of those that are so insecure about their calls that they need to explain them by calling location. All it does it induce arguing. "THAT WASN'T DOWN!", as opposed to leaving them guessing. "maybe it was outside".

One of the first peices of advice I ever got from a vet was this... whenever a coach asks you directly where a pitch was, agree with him. "Was that outside?" "Yes." No sense in making them think you missed it on the 1 dimension they are more sure about.

SethPDX Wed Jul 15, 2009 05:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 614684)
I can't find a TV listing for the game. Isn't on TV this year? I usually watch that one, and the AA game. The Futures game the other night was fun.

ESPN2.

And not that anybody cares, but:
HP-Mike Muchlinski PCL
1B-Mike Estabrook IL
2B-Shawn Rakos PCL
3B-R.J. Thompson IL

Kevin Finnerty Wed Jul 15, 2009 05:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ump Rube (Post 614840)
One of the first peices of advice I ever got from a vet was this... whenever a coach asks you directly where a pitch was, agree with him. "Was that outside?" "Yes." No sense in making them think you missed it on the 1 dimension they are more sure about.

I was taught: "Yes ... and low." :D

briancurtin Wed Jul 15, 2009 06:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 614833)
Whoa! I teach LL umpires, and I'll step on the neck of those that are so insecure about their calls that they need to explain them by calling location. All it does it induce arguing. "THAT WASN'T DOWN!", as opposed to leaving them guessing. "maybe it was outside".

I could see that being a problem for LL umpires.

SanDiegoSteve Wed Jul 15, 2009 06:10pm

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Originally Posted by SethPDX (Post 614869)
ESPN2.

And not that anybody cares, but:
HP-Mike Muchlinski PCL
1B-Mike Estabrook IL
2B-Shawn Rakos PCL
3B-R.J. Thompson IL

Thanks, I finally found it. I thought it was on earlier than 7 PM PDT.

bniu Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:04am

nah, i try to say as little as I can. I don't really vocalize my ball calls and take my sweet time calling strikes and calling outs. sometimes, on the bases, on a routine out at first, the runner will be almost in his dugout before I signal the out. the more obvious the call, the more time I take to "acknowledge" it.

as for demuth, he's a 26 year MLB vet with major league credibility, as far as i'm concerned, he can yell "Bonzai!" for strikes if he wants or pull his best ron luciano impression if he wants. sure, mlb umps can have lazy mechanics but they have the credibility to carry them.

briancurtin Thu Jul 16, 2009 05:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bniu (Post 614979)
sometimes, on the bases, on a routine out at first, the runner will be almost in his dugout before I signal the out. the more obvious the call, the more time I take to "acknowledge" it.

Is this just your gimmick or is there a reason to wait more than a few seconds to make a call?

kylejt Thu Jul 16, 2009 05:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by briancurtin (Post 615094)
Is this just your gimmick or is there a reason to wait more than a few seconds to make a call?

You've got to wait for the TV camera to swing over to you.

SethPDX Fri Jul 17, 2009 03:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by briancurtin (Post 615094)
Is this just your gimmick or is there a reason to wait more than a few seconds to make a call?

The technical term is "fake timing," Brian. ;)

bniu Fri Jul 17, 2009 09:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by briancurtin (Post 615094)
Is this just your gimmick or is there a reason to wait more than a few seconds to make a call?

it's just a gimmick of mine, i like to take my time in making a call. Mostly to prevent making an out call only to have a fielder drop the ball. I just wanna be "satisfied" that it's an out and then slowly call the out since it's so obvious. I'm also somewhat slow on my strike calls, I learned my timing from Tim McClelland. As Bill Klem once said: "it ain't nothing till I call it"

Kevin Finnerty Fri Jul 17, 2009 09:53pm

I like to gear my game so the players get most of the attention.

briancurtin Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:48pm

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Originally Posted by bniu (Post 615332)
I just wanna be "satisfied" that it's an out and then slowly call the out since it's so obvious.

If the call is obvious, why would you need to wait so long to be satisfied? Make the call and move on.

If F5 guns it to F3 to beat a slow BR by 25 feet, I'm signaling an out once F3 has possession and then I'm getting back to A for the next play. Game on.

kylejt Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:59pm

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Originally Posted by bniu (Post 615332)
I'm also somewhat slow on my strike calls, I learned my timing from Tim McClelland.

Jeez, you mean Father Time?

His strike zone I could see adopting, but not his timing. Better to get your timing from Thing, not Learch.
http://www.addamsfamily.com/addams/thing4.jpg

Kevin Finnerty Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:16pm

Let Tim McLelland umpire like no other.

mrm21711 Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bniu (Post 615332)
it's just a gimmick of mine, i like to take my time in making a call. Mostly to prevent making an out call only to have a fielder drop the ball. I just wanna be "satisfied" that it's an out and then slowly call the out since it's so obvious. I'm also somewhat slow on my strike calls, I learned my timing from Tim McClelland. As Bill Klem once said: "it ain't nothing till I call it"

Smells like a troll.


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