After last weekend Ejection, no problem ... steveshane67
 

I posted the thread last week about the ejection for the golfswing and also the comment the batter made. And after reading what MR. STEVESHANE67 posted as a reply, just thought I would comment..

Do you officiate other sports?

How many situations have you had to diffuse in a game?

Now the update, I umpired a 9 inning game with the same team yesterday in the HOT weather. Game went great, no problems, and the kids were actually nice and kept their heads in the HEAT. In the first inning I could hear the kids talking in the dugout about it being the same umpire that ejected our teammate the other day, I kind of laughed and thought to myself "THERE IS PROBABLY SOME GUY OUT THERE THAT THOUGHT I WAS WRONG FOR EJECTING THAT KID LAST WEEK(MR. steveshane67), but that was my MAIN REASON FOR DOING IT.

You only earn respect from anyone when you show what you WONT TAKE!!!

As referees or umpires in any sport, there comes a time in the game when things can turn in a instant, you can either become a UMPIRE(OFFICAL) or become...... steveshane67!!!!

Hmmm...
 

I always thought you earned respect by being consistent and fair.

For some, you are correct. For others, respect is not the issue: they will take advantage of whatever the umpire allows.

Being consistent and fair does earn respect from those who actually know what it means. The jerk the OP dealt with was not one of these kind of people it sounds like. He didn't like the call and expressed that he was a jerk. So, he got EJ.

EJ earns fear of being humiliated and not getting to play anymore. Some, this won't affect them and they will still be an idiot. But, for others, this will prevent them from thinking about doing something stupid. They don't want others talking and laughing at them. And, for those who want to play the game despite what they think, this will keep them from trying to umpire and just playing the game.

It really depends on the individual you are having to deal with.

Good post. Just like there are some players and coaches that act up and need to be put in their place, some Umpires take way too much grief. Not only do they have to put up with all the yapping, they pass the problem on to the next crew.
Then we have Umpires who feel that people came to watch them umpire. They are cocky and confontational and toooo quick to toss at the first cross word or look.
95% of the game calls itself. We are there to decide/decipher the other 5% of the plays that are real close or need a rule interpreted/applied.

I have never, ever met an umpire who thinks this.

I've worked with umpire who made mistakes, and I worked with umpire who weren't ready for that particular level. I 've worked with umpires who imitated some pros "big" mechanics. But, despite this coaches' mantra, I have never met an umpire who believed the crowd came to see him. Personally, I think its a horsesh!t complaint.

I met 2. One calmed down. The other is no longer with our assoc.

You seem to be judging his belief based on his actions. Did you ever ask him? Did either tell you, "the fans all came to see me."? Just because an umpire acts in any particular manner does not necessarily mean he BELIEVES the crowd came to see HIM.

It's an insult made up by coaches.

I go to major league games mainly to watch the umpires, but then again...I'm weird!:p

And though I realize that nobody (except maybe my wife sometimes) comes to games to see me umpire, I still like to umpire every game as if the late Barney Deary or John McSherry were in the stands evaluating me. I put on the professional show every time out.

Of course they would'nt say it. Their attitues, actions and demeanor gave off that vibe, and not just to the coaches! Nobody in our assoc. wanted to work with them. One of them was straightned out by our evaluators right away. The one who no longer works for us would lead in ejections every year, he was so confrontational. He is now with another group doing 11-12 and 13-14 rec. ball.

Sounds like they want to be the center of attention, not that they think they are. These types cant distinguish between authority and common sense!!!

When you let these kids and coaches walk all over you and question things about your judgement and consistency, then what do us as umpires do?

We are given RULES to use to make the game play out by itself, like someone said on here, the game plays itself out.

One thing that gets me about some guys is how they deal with confrontation, some may shrivel up and become the coaches best friend or some may use the tools we are given as a official to make the game that much better for the kids.

Like I was told the other day after talking to a few guys about my ejection, what does the word STAR spell backwards.......

Me too Steve! I am always telling my wife "did you notice who made that call at third? It was the HPU!" She isn't impressed.

Time to reevaluate that "starter wife"....:p

JJ

As far as having the crowd come to see you, I did have my girlfriend come watch me work an over-30 game and she constituted the entire crowd in the behind-home section.

Then proceeded to flirt with PU the entire game.

You had the bases, right?

Yeah, I had the bases. And a LONG game it was with PU hanging out at the backstop between innings
And on fouls
And probably on steals at 2B

After thinking about it...
 

Upon reflection, what you say is true. There are those that will never proffer respect. They would twist our very words to rationalize their behavior. :cool:

SDS

How many years did Big John say your umpiring set baseball back? You were lucky if it was not double digits. Didn't Big John say there were two leagues, the Big Leagues and the American League?

I only had the chance to meet and speak with John once, and it was very briefly in the parking lot at Qualcomm Stadium before a Padres game. I'm sure if the conversation would have been longer, he would have dropped one of his pearls of wisdom on me.

To answer your questions I dont officiate other sports, and havent had to diffuse many in game situations. BUT Ive had to diffuse many many much more serious situations before, ALL with no problems. In real life I dont need to beat people with my fists, I just relate to people and use sound logic.

Now I have a couple questions for you

1) Did you eject the batter after he said "I can take as much time as I want"?
2) would it be reasonable to assume that the last thing a player/coach says/does before they are ejected is the cause of their ejection?
3) do most players know all of the rules?
4) is misquoting a rule an ejectionable offense?
5) where is the ejectionable offense here?

Here are the facts:
 

1) If he didn't, he wouldn't be doing his job properly. The warden runs the asylum, not the inmates.

2) Usually, and that is why he was ejected, for mouthing off to the umpire.

3) Sadly, not even a few of the rules, but he was not questioning the rules, he was speaking in a manner that would have gotten him punched out if he talked that way to someone say, on the street, for example. You don't address authority figures that way without consequences. Words mean things.

4) No, but defying an order from the umpire to get in the box and hit most definitely is.

5) Telling an umpire how to do his job and not doing what the umpire lawfully directs you to do is an automatic ejection, what planet have you been living on where it isn't?

So lets assume a different situation, a batter steps out in between pitches, goes into some extended nomar readjusting/taking a few swings routine, the ump says something to the effect of "batter step into the box..." the batter says "hold on, im not ready yet" do you really expect the batter to be ejected here?

No. But, he is not saying "I can do what I want and you can't stop me". There is a difference and you seem to be missing it.

No, he didnt say that, he simply said "I can take as much time as I want". Obviously hes just another player who doesnt know that he only has X seconds to get back in the batters box. I agree if the batter says "you cant stop me, or starts saying something with his hands behind his ears..." then that could be an ejectionable offense

and besides, according to MLB rule 6.02 C
The punishment for not getting back in the batters box is a strike, not an ejection.

As I hear all the time on here, the umps job is to enforce all the rules as written, not to administer their own personal views on various situations.

After the batter's demonstration of arguing balls and strikes, and then comes back with a comment like that. It had nothing to do with him refusing to get in the box. I guess only so much can be conveyed in writing for others to understand. I can imagine the actions of the batter as he is doing all of this as to say "I can do what I want and you can't tell me what to do." EJ time at that point. Get another batter who is really want to play the game and not be a jerk.

I have no problem with him being EJ. Next time, he will behave better towards the umpire. If he hadn't done all of his previous shenanigans, then I would wonder about the EJ. But, with his "golf swing" demonstration and saying something just to be a jerk, that calls for an appropriate EJ. Too bad, you seem to condone this type of behavior.

And, he did enforce the rules as written. All of that taken together is unsportsmanlike conduct. Violates 9.01(d).

<sigh....>
 

Please don't feed the trolls...

Where are you getting this from????
all he said was "i can take as much time as i want". he obviously didnt know the rules about the batter cant take as much time as they want. there was no "you cant tell me what to do attitude, only a simple misunderstanding of the rules"

ill ask again, So lets assume a different situation, a batter steps out in between pitches, goes into some extended nomar readjusting/taking a few swings routine, the ump says something to the effect of "batter step into the box..." the batter says "hold on, im not ready yet" do you really expect the batter to be ejected here?

Forget it. Don't worry about it. Life goes on even though you don't understand.

What part of GA's "It had nothing to do with him refusing to get in the box." did you not understand?

Here is where he is getting it from:

Please take notice of the CAPITALIZED LETTERS. Now, did you hear that? I just yelled at you!!! ARE YOU HEARING THE WORDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF MY KEYBOARD?????

Looks to me like the OP is demonstrating that the batter yelled at the umpire. He most definitely wasn't just "unfamiliar with the rule."

Hey, did you know that you are the only one here who doesn't understand this? Maybe it's not us after all.:rolleyes:

Every time I read this, I just have to laugh a little. :D