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JR12 Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:36am

Changing a foul ball to fair
 
Thoughts?

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kcg NC2Ablu Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:56am

he had to have been blocked out... fair ball

SanDiegoSteve Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:01pm

If you freeze it at the 0:07 second mark, you can see that the PU had a clear shot at the call. I had thought maybe A.J. had blocked him out, or the pitcher put his foot in front or something, but no, the PU apparently just kicked the call.

I think it's horsebleep to change a foul call to fair on a live ball, as it sets a bad precedent.

SanDiegoSteve Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:03pm

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Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu (Post 611544)
he had to have been blocked out... fair ball

He wasn't blocked out, but if he had been, why would he make a call that he didn't see. He could have let the play happen, and then gone for help with Hernandez. Wedge had a legit beef on that one. Go Sox anyway!:)

kcg NC2Ablu Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:54pm

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 611547)
He wasn't blocked out, but if he had been, why would he make a call that he didn't see. He could have let the play happen, and then gone for help with Hernandez. Wedge had a legit beef on that one. Go Sox anyway!:)

the fielder swept the ball up on the line and was heading foul maybe he was blocked and when he caught a glipse it looked as is the ball were foul having missed the actual touch of the ball. He had to have missed a piece of info to go for help no reason he would go otherwise.

umpjong Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:55pm

This is were MLB has taken the "get the play right" to an extreme. Since no one slowed down, or quit on the play, the umpires decided to correct the obvious wrong. Not saying I agree, or disagree, but I guess they figure on these plays the bottom line is they got the call right without anything else being affected... Other than the ejection that everyone knew was coming......:D

David B Tue Jun 30, 2009 01:24pm

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Originally Posted by umpjong (Post 611571)
This is were MLB has taken the "get the play right" to an extreme. Since no one slowed down, or quit on the play, the umpires decided to correct the obvious wrong. Not saying I agree, or disagree, but I guess they figure on these plays the bottom line is they got the call right without anything else being affected... Other than the ejection that everyone knew was coming......:D

That is horrible umpiring. That is PU's call and you just have to live with it.
How could BU have seen the ball anyway because the glove was blocking his view of the ball.

Don't agree with that at all, but that's the new world of MLB.

Thanks
David

Jimology Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:49pm

Irony
 
The PU was not blocked and the BU was completely blocked. I think the PU went to the BU and said "I just kicked a call, correct it." Sound crazy?

kcg NC2Ablu Wed Jul 01, 2009 07:41am

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Originally Posted by Jimology (Post 611707)
The PU was not blocked and the BU was completely blocked. I think the PU went to the BU and said "I just kicked a call, correct it." Sound crazy?

thats not completely crazy. screwed up... probably not completely unfeasible

David B Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:28am

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Originally Posted by Jimology (Post 611707)
The PU was not blocked and the BU was completely blocked. I think the PU went to the BU and said "I just kicked a call, correct it." Sound crazy?

yeah, and the crew chief made the final call went along with it. Now that's crazy.

thanks
David

Rich Ives Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:38am

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Originally Posted by David B (Post 611767)
yeah, and the crew chief made the final call went along with it. Now that's crazy.

thanks
David

That's how it works. If two umpires make opposite calls the crew chief decides who is most likely right. Check rule 9.

SanDiegoSteve Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:05am

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Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 611772)
That's how it works. If two umpires make opposite calls the crew chief decides who is most likely right. Check rule 9.

So Tom Hallion, working over 100 feet away on the opposite side of the field determined to overrule a call of foul. Interesting.:rolleyes: Well, at least he got to be the lucky guy to run Wedge, and rightly so since he made the final call.:)

umpjong Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:07am

Their bottom line is that the play was called correctly. After all the smoke clears on one of these calls they can play the trump card - THE CALL MADE WAS THE CORRECT CALL. PERIOD.

Its going to take a while to get used too, but this is the trend in pro athletics. Amateur will follow kicking and screaming.....

Rich Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:04pm

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Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 611772)
That's how it works. If two umpires make opposite calls the crew chief decides who is most likely right. Check rule 9.

Two umpires do not have concurrent jurisdiction on a batted ball short of the base.

Tom H. Wed Jul 01, 2009 09:49pm

Hmmmmm.....
 
I don't see where he was blocked except perhaps by the way F1 fielded the ball (more glove than line)---Yet it COULD be MLB and the "get it right" mentality. For the rest of us (perhaps mostly those who do FED ball) - once you "kill it" your done. Sometimes it can be fixed but you know that your going to have a shi$ house on your hands.<O:p</O:p
Hell, if he saw it foul I think that he should have stuck with it. But then again I only work up to HS ball....and not even getting to the show.

<O:p</O:pOnly other point..... Several posters referred to this as the PU being 'over ruled' and I feel that this characterization is flat wrong! No one ran over and changed the call...the crew got together and came to a decision. Then the PU changed the call. No one over ruled anyone.<O:p</O:p
Tom<O:p</O:p


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