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umpjim Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:45pm

CSF - VA That was a balk
 
Top 5, second or 3rd pickoff throw to 1b. No distance and direction by non pivot foot plus a knee twitch. That move will always work if it's not called a balk. Never mind the 45 degree criteria which I don't believe is always valid but this one sure didn't meet it.

umpjim Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:11pm

Replying to my own post. Watching the DVR'd game later I see what been going on at some of the other games and then I see the VA pitcher get away with some more balks. WTF.

umpjayfire Tue Jun 16, 2009 08:55am

jim....they were friggin balks...his free foot was in the exact same spot as when he came set...no distance/direction...

Umpmazza Wed Jun 17, 2009 09:59am

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Originally Posted by umpjayfire (Post 609155)
jim....they were friggin balks...his free foot was in the exact same spot as when he came set...no distance/direction...

his free foot was exactly in the same spot.... that is almost impossible....

umpjong Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:29am

So no one here has ever missed a call? (not that I am saying they missed it - I didnt see it) Do I smell the ugly jealousy germ? Why do we feel the need to bash our peers just because they are working the highest level? If they or anyone else miss a call, and its on video, learn from it. It makes us all better, including them. They critique each other after every game and eventually get to go over all of their video.

johnnyg08 Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:19am

so far this thread seems to be discussing the play, not the quality of the umpiring.

Bishopcolle Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:32am

is there a video of this somewhere?

SanDiegoSteve Wed Jun 17, 2009 01:52pm

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Originally Posted by umpjong (Post 609364)
So no one here has ever missed a call? (not that I am saying they missed it - I didnt see it) Do I smell the ugly jealousy germ? Why do we feel the need to bash our peers just because they are working the highest level? If they or anyone else miss a call, and its on video, learn from it. It makes us all better, including them. They critique each other after every game and eventually get to go over all of their video.

I didn't read of anyone bashing anybody. Where are you seeing this supposed "bashing?":confused: Hey, if I blow a call, I get to hear all about it. And I don't think jealousy has anything at all to do with it. That's quite a stretch.

umpjayfire Wed Jun 17, 2009 03:12pm

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Originally Posted by Umpmazza (Post 609357)
his free foot was exactly in the same spot.... that is almost impossible....

His free foot didn't leave his footprint that he made when he came set....not that hard to picture

umpjayfire Wed Jun 17, 2009 03:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by umpjong (Post 609364)
So no one here has ever missed a call? (not that I am saying they missed it - I didnt see it) Do I smell the ugly jealousy germ? Why do we feel the need to bash our peers just because they are working the highest level? If they or anyone else miss a call, and its on video, learn from it. It makes us all better, including them. They critique each other after every game and eventually get to go over all of their video.

No jealousy here....the boys did a real nice job...but they painted themselves in a corner by not getting the balk early...

umpjong Wed Jun 17, 2009 03:30pm

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 609409)
I didn't read of anyone bashing anybody. Where are you seeing this supposed "bashing?":confused: Hey, if I blow a call, I get to hear all about it. And I don't think jealousy has anything at all to do with it. That's quite a stretch.


I could be wrong, but the first couple of posts seemed to demean the umpires in the game. If not I apologize for my assumption.....

Umpmazza Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:11am

Quote:

Originally Posted by umpjayfire (Post 609424)
His free foot didn't leave his footprint that he made when he came set....not that hard to picture

So you saw the footprint from the front seat of your Couch?... come on man... really and the camera showed us a view from up top?.... like I said It is almost impossible to make a move to 1st and put your free foot back in the same spot.... if you wanna call that balk that is fine... I know Im not. I not trying to argue with you, but trying to see if you understand where im coming from.

SanDiegoSteve Thu Jun 18, 2009 09:05am

Well, now we don't have to worry about Virginia balking any longer. Last night was a very enjoyable ball game, and Virginia goes home. Soooey!

umpjayfire Thu Jun 18, 2009 09:25am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Umpmazza (Post 609537)
So you saw the footprint from the front seat of your Couch?... come on man... really and the camera showed us a view from up top?.... like I said It is almost impossible to make a move to 1st and put your free foot back in the same spot.... if you wanna call that balk that is fine... I know Im not. I not trying to argue with you, but trying to see if you understand where im coming from.

Not arguing Maz...I've read your posts in the past and you are a solid poster and ,from what I can tell, you know your stuff...but I know you've called a 'no step' balk before (I guess I don't know that but I assume)...and this looked like a textbook 'no step' move...from what i saw, the pitcher didn't even pick up his free foot at all...it's really not that unusual...I guess I understand where your coming from but like i said before, this is not that hard to picture...

njdevs00cup Thu Jun 18, 2009 09:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by umpjim (Post 609071)
Top 5, second or 3rd pickoff throw to 1b. No distance and direction by non pivot foot plus a knee twitch. That move will always work if it's not called a balk. Never mind the 45 degree criteria which I don't believe is always valid but this one sure didn't meet it.

Watching ASU v. UNC. RH pitcher from UNC is doing the exact same thing in regards to a knee twitch plus no distance. Announcers finally make a valid point, "If it started getting called now, there would be a riot."


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