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ibcallindux Mon Jun 15, 2009 01:59pm
Balk calls in College Super Regional
 
I can't remember what game this was in but a balk was called when the pitcher did not come to a complete stop before delivering the pitch from the stretch. The color man, Kyle Petersen, said that in the college game the pitcher has to come to a complete stop. He went on to say that in the majors that was not the case. Did I hear that right or did I misunderstand him? Anybody else pick up on that?

jdmara Mon Jun 15, 2009 02:20pm
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Originally Posted by ibcallindux (Post 608964)
I can't remember what game this was in but a balk was called when the pitcher did not come to a complete stop before delivering the pitch from the stretch. The color man, Kyle Petersen, said that in the college game the pitcher has to come to a complete stop. He went on to say that in the majors that was not the case. Did I hear that right or did I misunderstand him? Anybody else pick up on that?
You probably heard him right, he was just wrong

-Josh

SAump Mon Jun 15, 2009 03:31pm
Bases Empty?
 
Two umpire schools of thought.
1) The pitcher must come to a complete stop.
2) The pitcher may blow through the stop with empty bases.
I prefer 1 over 2. It avoids a bigger mess later in the game.
A "change in direction" is not to be considered as "part" of the complete stop requirement.

bob jenkins Mon Jun 15, 2009 03:38pm
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Originally Posted by SAump (Post 608982)
Two umpire schoools of thought.
1) The pitcher must come to a complete stop.
2) The pitcher may blow through the stop with empty bases.
I prefer 1 over 2. It avoids a bigger mess later in the game.
Your preference notwithstanding, #2 is the rule (interp) in OBR. I believe it's the same in NCAA.

The balk rule is to protect the runners. No runners, no need for protection.

dash_riprock Mon Jun 15, 2009 06:28pm
Only FED requires a stop with no baserunners.

Durham Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:28pm
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Originally Posted by ibcallindux (Post 608964)
I can't remember what game this was in but a balk was called when the pitcher did not come to a complete stop before delivering the pitch from the stretch. The color man, Kyle Petersen, said that in the college game the pitcher has to come to a complete stop. He went on to say that in the majors that was not the case. Did I hear that right or did I misunderstand him? Anybody else pick up on that?
I would agree that in AAA and the MLB, complete stops are the rule, but not required. It is more like a small pause, as long as they don't roll through.

umpjim Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:41pm
I don't know the difference between a complete stop and a small pause. Both work for me at any level.

SanDiegoSteve Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:43pm
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Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 609026)
Only FED requires a stop with no baserunners.
What is the penalty for it, a ball? I ask because I don't remember and have no rule books handy.

umpjim Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:58pm
Illegal pitch. I don't know anybody that would call it. BTW the Little league Green Book which is OBR based wants a stop with no runners on also. Never seen it called.

SanDiegoSteve Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:06am
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Originally Posted by umpjim (Post 609094)
Illegal pitch. I don't know anybody that would call it. BTW the Little league Green Book which is OBR based wants a stop with no runners on also. Never seen it called.
Just at the Junior, Senior and Big League level, right?

Ump153 Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:10am
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Originally Posted by umpjim (Post 609094)
BTW the Little league Green Book which is OBR based wants a stop with no runners on also.

Hoppefully no one confuses "OBR based" with OBR.

umpjim Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:26am
Yes, LL wants a stop only in Jrs. Srs. and BL. Ump 153, you made me check if I spelled something wrong. Hopefully, I can't believe anybody would confuse the LGB with straight OBR. But, many have confused OBR with the LGB.

dash_riprock Tue Jun 16, 2009 06:22am
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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve (Post 609089)
What is the penalty for it, a ball? I ask because I don't remember and have no rule books handy.
Yes - add a ball to the count and prepare for some BS coming your way.

ibcallindux Tue Jun 16, 2009 09:22am
Balk calls in College Super Regional
 
The balks I was referring to were with runners on base.

mbyron Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:21am
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Originally Posted by ibcallindux (Post 609161)
The balks I was referring to were with runners on base.
[Jack Nicholson voice]Is there another kind?[/Jack Nicholson voice]


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