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njdevs00cup Thu May 07, 2009 08:39pm

Obstruction Call Mets/Phillies
 
Anyone catch this run down obstruction call? It looks like Victorino establishes his baseline and veers to his right to throw a shoulder into Reyes.

johnnyg08 Thu May 07, 2009 10:25pm

Yep, just saw it on Sportscenter 2 minutes ago. Yes, from that angle, I certainly don't have obstruction...I had to watch it w/o the volume because the Sportscenter people seemed to have reversed the terminology...the Mets coach also "beaked' the umpire too...the ump kept the bill of his hat below his.

Yep, looking at that call, I think I have an out for INT rather than awarding 2B for OBS...tough to say I guess

Welpe Fri May 08, 2009 12:40am

I don't think you can have INT on this, Reyes wasn't trying to make a play on Victorino, he was trying to get out of the way after throwing the ball.

zm1283 Fri May 08, 2009 01:35am

That was definitely not obstruction. They kicked it. It wasn't interference either though.

ozzy6900 Fri May 08, 2009 07:44am

Quote:

Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 600529)
That was definitely not obstruction. They kicked it. It wasn't interference either though.

Maybe we should set a standard Operating Proceedure.

If you make a post that disagrees with MLB, how about posting a link so the rest of us can check it out!

We really want to see how good you are!

FredFan7 Fri May 08, 2009 08:17am

Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | PHI@NYM: An obstruction call gets Manuel ejected - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

johnnyg08 Fri May 08, 2009 08:19am

try this

Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | PHI@NYM: An obstruction call gets Manuel ejected - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

johnnyg08 Fri May 08, 2009 08:19am

how's that Ozzy? you've got links coming out your ears now

mbyron Fri May 08, 2009 08:44am

Players are coached to do this during a rundown: bump into the fielder after he's thrown the ball in order to draw the obstruction call. It worked in this case.

Bit of an acting job by Victorino if you ask me, but clearly there was contact.

From an umpiring standpoint, I always want to end a rundown as quickly as possible. Rundowns are bad baseball and add nothing to the game. If the runner takes 2 steps sideways, he's out of the baseline and out. If there's contact with the fielder, obstruction (unfortunately, in FED we play on from that point since all OBS is "Type B"). If the runner does anything with his hands to touch or otherwise impede the fielder, INT. Move on.

JPaco54 Fri May 08, 2009 08:59am

[QUOTE=mbyron;600584]From an umpiring standpoint, I always want to end a rundown as quickly as possible. Rundowns are bad baseball and add nothing to the game.

Could you explain your thoughts on Rundowns, being bad baseball and add nothing to the game. I never looked at it that way. I just see it as another "Situation" in baseball. Sometimes it can force certain actions where a team can take advantage of advancing bases or scoring runs. Am I misisng something. :confused:

dash_riprock Fri May 08, 2009 09:18am

I have nothing on that play (except a DP).

umpjong Fri May 08, 2009 09:22am

Obstruction... His path was impeded. Yes he exaggerated it, but it was impeded.
Good call..... (cant not call it just because he made it look worse than it was)

UmpTTS43 Fri May 08, 2009 09:31am

MLB is it's own critter in situations such as these. The bigboys play by different rules, we all know it. In amatuer ball, there is possibly OBS and possibly flagrant contact. Use the example to learn what you would do or rule do in that situation

johnnyg08 Fri May 08, 2009 09:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by UmpTTS43 (Post 600602)
MLB is it's own critter in situations such as these. The bigboys play by different rules, we all know it. In amatuer ball, there is possibly OBS and possibly flagrant contact. Use the example to learn what you would do or rule do in that situation

amen

dash_riprock Fri May 08, 2009 10:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by umpjong (Post 600600)
Obstruction... His path was impeded. Yes he exaggerated it, but it was impeded.
Good call..... (cant not call it just because he made it look worse than it was)

If you made that call, and I was your partner, I would have no problem backing you up on it. Yes, you can't not call it JUST because he made it look worse, but contact is not automatic OBS either. My judgment would be it's nothing, because the runner had a clear path directly to 2nd base, i.e., he was not obstructed, but instead of taking that path, he chose to run into the fielder. In other words, he was obstructed by his own act, not the fielder's.


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