Teammates’ handslap to home run hitter erases victory
 

Teammates' handslap to home run hitter erases victory

This story is from a Softball game with a specific rule set down, but any one had any fun times with parents/coaches/uninformed passers by yelling when something like this happens?

Probably the same umpire that made an injured girl get carried around the bases.

Dam# - the rule book has an AR that says "issue a warning".

We all pay for the actions of imperious blowhard umpires.

Every day for the rest of my life, I will be ever thankful that Rochester coach Jean Musgjerd is not my wife.

Joe In Missouri

Two words ...

"WOW," and "b****"

dang...that's right here in MN...at least it was softball...and not baseball

I really don't think that was ever a possibility.:o

:d !!!

I really like the comment from the guy after the article that 'any coach who comes on the field with a rule book will be ejected'. What is the guy going to do when the UIC comes on the field to handle his protest? There have been UIC's I felt needed to be ejected, but alas, I have found it hard to do. :eek:

:confused:
I thought this was a baseball board...

JJ

she's billy martin's cousin and a distant cousin of earl weaver. If i were the ump, I'd send her back to the bench and let her protest. Even if she wins the protest, it's highly unlikely a replay of the game would be awarded and if she does, chances are, I won't be around to umpire it. Yeah she fights for her team to win but at what cost? She showed zero sportsmanship there. There's got to be a balance between showing good sportsmanship and winning.

If it were up to me, I'd have the umps give sportsmanship grades for each game and teams that accumulate too many F's or average below like say a C will miss the playoffs and if they do it too much, get put on probation or something like that. If this happened in my Intramurals league, even if I had to give her a win, I'd give her a F in sportsmanship, thereby severely hampering her playoff hopes...

we don't need Billy Martins and Earl Weaver's running college teams.

now that defensive team is a classic example of outstanding sportsmanship. that game showed the true character of the defensive players, it will make them winners in the game of life.

Musgjerd only pawn, in game of life.

Fixed it for ya, Yoda. :D

No you didn't.

http://www.killerclips.com/clip.php?id=137&qid=1882

Ha! Touché.

fellas, i've been looking in the fed rule books and I'm not finding a warning or an out anywhere if this would happened on a fed baseball field.

heck, there's even a case play where b/r falls rounding 3B and the coach helps him up and that's legal. do we have a rule or case play that supports an out anywhere? If so, I couldn't find one for an over-the-fence-homerun

In Fed if the ball is dead, the OP is not illegal. See 3.2.2A.

Although 3.2.2B confuses me and seems to not be consistent with 3-2-2. 3-2-2 says the penalty for a coach assisting a runner: "PENALTY: The ball is dead at the end of playing action. The involved batterrunner or runner is out and any additional outs made on the play stand. Runners not put out return to bases occupied at the time of the infraction."

Simple enough but 3.2.2B seems to contradict that:

Called out immediately to me means that you kill the play and it's not a delayed dead ball....I've only had this happen once and I made it a delayed dead ball.

-Josh

reading some of these things starts to make my head hurt. sometimes it's easier to see the play

Called out immediately means just that, nothing more. Similar to a runner passing a preceding runner. Play on.

This an NCAA softball rule and is something completely different than the standard rules covering interference for assisting a runner during a live ball.

The rule is that on a DEAD BALL BASE AWARD, no one other than a coach or another runner may touch any of the advancing runners until said runners have touched home plate.

Isn't the same rule in effect for NCAA baseball? It is, according to my 2008 edition of the Baseball Rules Differences. I'm surprised that somebody didn't catch that!

The umpires blew this call. The first violation of this rule requires only a team warning. No provision is made to call an out unless it is a subsequent offense.

In one news account, coach Musgjerd is quoted as saying, "The warning is down much farther (in the rule book) and I wasn't aware of the warning until much later".

Baloney. The "effect" and penalty appear directly below and as part of the rule in the NCAA softball rule book. Way to try and save face while admitting that you had no idea of the actual rule and lucked into a call by *****ing about it!

The umpires blew the rule, the coach that complained didn't know it and the coach of the other team apparently does not know it or understand how to file a protest.

You thought that the coaches knew the rules?

The umpires and tourney director screwed up, seems rather simple to me. They all got talked into a call and it is a good lesson for us all. Know the rules, and don't let a coach whose job is to work you for calls, put doubt in your mind if you know you are right.

Not Quite
 

no

Rule 5
Positions of the Offensive Team
SECTION 2. The offensive team shall:
d. After a home run, no offensive team member, other than the base
coaches, shall touch the batter-runner before home plate has been
touched. Team personnel, except for preceding base runners, shall not
enter the dirt area at home plate to congratulate the batter-runner.
PENALTY for c. and d.—After a warning for the first offense, ejection
from the contest of one of the offending players.

The penalty is ejection of the toucher. The intent of the rule in baseball is to prevent the players from the dugout from encircling the catcher and creating a situation that may end up volatile.

That's probably why nobody caught it.

I can't believe the censor is allowing this off-topic discussion and everything related to it to remain on this thread.