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edinatlanta Sun Apr 26, 2009 09:05pm

Red Sox/Yankees Question
 
Hey y'all, first time poster, 2nd year LL ump.

Just say Jacoby Ellsbury steal home and just as he was sliding the home ump pointed his index finger with his right hand.

What was that supposed to show?

TIA.

Ed

SanDiegoSteve Sun Apr 26, 2009 09:06pm

That he did indeed touch the plate and was safe.

SAump Sun Apr 26, 2009 09:06pm

Score the run
 
Umpire may have determined no need for the safe signal.

cc6 Sun Apr 26, 2009 09:07pm

Probably that he touched the plate.

johnnyg08 Sun Apr 26, 2009 09:08pm

I think the pitch was a strike so he was signaling strike...and no need for the safe signal, everybody in the stadium could see that he was safe...there was no attempted play on him...no different than a pick off attempt at 1B where F1 throws over and there's no play...U1 does not signal safe every time.

Matt Sun Apr 26, 2009 09:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyg08 (Post 597947)
I think the pitch was a strike so he was signaling strike...and no need for the safe signal, everybody in the stadium could see that he was safe...there was no attempted play on him...no different than a pick off attempt at 1B where F1 throws over and there's no play...U1 does not signal safe every time.

The point was a strike, and there was an attempted play, which was signaled safe.

SanDiegoSteve Sun Apr 26, 2009 09:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyg08 (Post 597947)
I think the pitch was a strike so he was signaling strike...and no need for the safe signal, everybody in the stadium could see that he was safe...there was no attempted play on him...no different than a pick off attempt at 1B where F1 throws over and there's no play...U1 does not signal safe every time.

Or that. I didn't see the play, so I was guessing.

johnnyg08 Sun Apr 26, 2009 09:14pm

or that

edinatlanta Sun Apr 26, 2009 09:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt (Post 597949)
The point was a strike, and there was an attempted play, which was signaled safe.

Cool, thanks.

I was confused b/c it was more of a point into the air, rather than an indication of a strike. I thought maybe, for a second, the ump was thrown off by the play. :)

DG Sun Apr 26, 2009 09:31pm

The pitch was a curve ball, and called a strike, by the PU. The PU tonight uses the point to call strikes. It was not his usual more casual point, but definitely a point to signal strike. A safe signal was immediately given next, on the play. Posada tried to tag Elsbury and may have, but it was in the butt as Elsbury slid head first across the plate.

JR12 Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:04pm

I was also a little confused. It was an odd point straight out with his right arm as his head was still looking straight ahead. Then he signaled safe!

SanDiegoSteve Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt (Post 597949)
The point was a strike, and there was an attempted play, which was signaled safe.

That would make sense, since the strike call had priority over the safe call.

ozzy6900 Mon Apr 27, 2009 06:50am

I'm surprised no one posted a link yet.

Yes, the point was for the strike as the pitch comes first, then a safe or out call for the runner. The video shows that there was a safe call made on the play also.

Jacoby Ellsbury steals home

bob jenkins Mon Apr 27, 2009 06:57am

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Originally Posted by JR12 (Post 597965)
I was also a little confused. It was an odd point straight out with his right arm as his head was still looking straight ahead. Then he signaled safe!

When there's an immediate play after the strike call, the strike signal sometimes gets "rushed."

rulesmaven Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:17pm

They showed a highlight on sportscenter this morning with ambient audio, and you can hear the PU verbalize on the point "that's a strike," and then "safe" on the plate play signal.

I thought perhaps the reason for the slightly more exagerated strike call than usual might have been that the batter abandoned the box when he saw the runner coming and maybe the PU initially thought the batter was going to attempt to call time late or something. Also the pitcher altered his delivery a bit when he saw what was happening, and maybe the pu was running through whether the almost-quick-pitch was a balk as the pitch was on the way, and so put a bit extra on strike call to emphasize no balk. Lip reading during the game, the pitcher seemed to ask the PU after the play whether a balk had been called, which seemed unusual. Maybe he was asking "ball"?, but it looked like "balk?"

Fittske Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:59pm

Usually the point mechanic is given for non-verbal "swinging" strikes. I don’t know if this umpire uses the "hammer" mechanic for his called strike, but if he does, this could have been confused with an "out" call on the runner if he had given it. Good job by the PU to keep his presence of mind to single strike then make the safe call. I guess that’s why he is a professional :-)

zm1283 Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:59pm

I thought Pettit asked the PU if it was a "ball" or not. I don't know how it would be a balk as Pettit was going out of the windup and not the stretch.

johnnyg08 Mon Apr 27, 2009 01:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fittske (Post 598110)
Usually the point mechanic is given for non-verbal "swinging" strikes. I don’t know if this umpire uses the "hammer" mechanic for his called strike, but if he does, this could have been confused with an "out" call on the runner if he had given it. Good job by the PU to keep his presence of mind to single strike then make the safe call. I guess that’s why he is a professional :-)


very good point

rulesmaven Mon Apr 27, 2009 03:02pm

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 598111)
I thought Pettit asked the PU if it was a "ball" or not. I don't know how it would be a balk as Pettit was going out of the windup and not the stretch.

Yup -- I've now seen the replay that inlcudes Pettite, and you're right. He wasn't pitching from the set position. Full windup, which is pretty much what allowed the steal.

DonInKansas Mon Apr 27, 2009 04:52pm

Bases were loaded, some pitchers like to go windup from there. Ellsbury was damn near into his slide when the ball was delivered.

David B Mon Apr 27, 2009 05:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fittske (Post 598110)
Usually the point mechanic is given for non-verbal "swinging" strikes. I don’t know if this umpire uses the "hammer" mechanic for his called strike, but if he does, this could have been confused with an "out" call on the runner if he had given it. Good job by the PU to keep his presence of mind to single strike then make the safe call. I guess that’s why he is a professional :-)

Watching it on ESPN and I was impressed with the PU's timing. Smooth, nothing seemed to phase him.

Thanks
David

yawetag Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonInKansas (Post 598153)
Bases were loaded, some pitchers like to go windup from there. Ellsbury was damn near into his slide when the ball was delivered.

If he hadn't tripped on his last step, he may not have slid at all.


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