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isn't there something in the rule where there's the 'obvious' factor where there's a retouch obligation versus simply just missing a base?
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either way aren't they both appeals?
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they are, but you eliminate the accidental appeal
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The most common usage of the relaxed/unrelaxed concept is the play at home where the runner misses the plate and the fielder misses the tag. Technically the runner has missed home so by rule the catcher could just step on the plate and announce an appeal. In practice, however, if the runner is scrambling back toward the plate we require a tag of the runner for an out. This would be unrelaxed action. If, however the runner starts walking towards the dugout, making no attempt to correct his error, this is unrelaxed action. In this instance we do not require the catcher to chase down the runner, but instead allow him to step on the plate and appeal the miss. Although most often seen at home, this concept can be applied equally to other bases, i.e. a runner slides around second and then scrambles back towards it. |
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C. time please. U. sorry coach, you can't make a second trip. C. I'm pulling him, get my lefty. U. Okay. I'm thinking that's a legal substitution and not a trip. |
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ManinBlue is correct.
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So your implying the rule reads:
"No pitcher may be substituted after one visit if the same batters at bat." I and apparently the crew working the OP disagree. The rule means you can't go out and "visit". If C is yanking him, I wouldn't consider that a visit. And IMO on the relaxed vs unrelaxed appeal, side on the D, don't ever disadvantage the D for the O error. EX: R2 base hit, throw to retire R2 at HP swipe tag misses the runner, runner misses the plate and is several feet removed, but attempting to scramble back, mean while BR is digging for 2B. If F2 has his head about him and appeals, I would grant the appeal and hopefully allow an out on the BR at 2nd. Umpires like outs. |
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The crew working this game didn't disagree; they simply f---ed up. |
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Does J/R suggest it for the bases and the pros just don't do it that way or did I misunderstand? Is there a difference in the pro interp between a runner who misses rounding the bag and then realizes it and comes running back vs. a runner who slides in and misses the bag while the fielder misses the tag and then scrambles back? In soundedlikeastrike's example, remember that the D erred also by missing the tag, so we are not penalizing them for an offensive error. If the runner is scrambling back to the plate make the catcher tag him. |
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