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BigUmp56 Mon Jan 19, 2009 08:50pm

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Originally Posted by tballump (Post 570233)
Once again who gives a rats anus-- and who gives a flying fornication. Next time we all need to band together and make sure there are no responses to a post like this, matter of fact, nothing personal (as this is directed at the post and not the person posting this), but I will not even open it to read. Let's follow Tim_C's lead. This type post is counterproductive on this site. It belongs on a physics post with Earl Weaver who I'm sure would be interested and love to hear all about it before he comes out of retirement or passes on to managerial heaven.

Actually there was a time a couple of years ago when this was a fun discussion during the off season. But for some reason the discussion turned to the dark side. And when put into a context that the myth applies to umpiring baseball it's not an all together useless exercise.

Experts have time and time again proposed that the myth of a rising fastball has been perpetuated by real physics. By that I mean that what appears to some to be a rise in the pitch is actually a decline in it's trajectory that's less than the observer had anticipated. Tie that into proper tracking of pitches by the proper use of the eyes, and it does become of value to this forum.



Tim.

SAump Mon Jan 19, 2009 09:33pm

Did you see that pitch break?
 
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Originally Posted by BigUmp56 (Post 570296)
Actually there was a time a couple of years ago when this was a fun discussion during the off season. But for some reason the discussion turned to the dark side. And when put into a context that the myth applies to umpiring baseball it's not an all together useless exercise.

Experts have time and time again proposed that the myth of a rising fastball has been perpetuated by real physics. By that I mean that what appears to some to be a rise in the pitch is actually a decline in it's trajectory that's less than the observer had anticipated. Tie that into proper tracking of pitches by the proper use of the eyes, and it does become of value to this forum.

Tim.

I was afraid this thread had spun out of control.
Thanks for bringing the topic back down to earth.

MrUmpire Mon Jan 19, 2009 09:47pm

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Originally Posted by BigUmp56 (Post 570296)

Experts have time and time again proposed that the myth of a rising fastball has been perpetuated by real physics. By that I mean that what appears to some to be a rise in the pitch is actually a decline in it's trajectory that's less than the observer had anticipated. Tie that into proper tracking of pitches by the proper use of the eyes, and it does become of value to this forum.



Tim.

No, experts proposed that that myth was perpetuated by the optical illusion you discussed, not real phyiscs.

The true facts have beed discussed ad nauseum and and continued interest is found primarily in those who enjoy whipping deceased equines.

tip184 Mon Jan 19, 2009 09:53pm

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Originally Posted by Tim C (Post 570093)
Oh cripes, now SA has another uniformed follower.

Mate, over the last 10 years this site (and others) have proven time-and-time-again that a baseball thrown overhand CANNOT rise.

And trust me (unless your an ex-major leage umpire that worked in season games) I have called a higher caliber of baseball than you my friend.

I hope no one else wastes their time answering yet somone who lives in the "mythical land" of the rising fastball.

~Sigh~

Maybe you didn't work enough AAA games to see a rising fastball. One or two games doesn't cut it if you don't have an overhand power pitcher who can throw mid 90's. Or maybe you aren't tracking the ball properly.

bobbybanaduck Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:01pm

i've seen a rising fastball. it ended up above the break on the net.

BigUmp56 Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:02pm

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Originally Posted by MrUmpire (Post 570307)
No, experts proposed that that myth was perpetuated by the optical illusion you discussed, not real phyiscs.

The true facts have beed discussed ad nauseum and and continued interest is found primarily in those who enjoy whipping deceased equines.


I would guess that there are members of this forum now that weren't members during the time this was so heavily debated. If the topic bores you because you've heard it all before, perhaps it's time to afford others an opportunity to play around with the subject matter. You ain't the only one on the playground.


Tim.

SethPDX Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:37pm

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Originally Posted by LDUB (Post 570249)
I can seem to find the link to add someone to my ignore list. Has that feature been removed?

On the top bar of the page, click "User CP." You will see your profile. In the column on the left side of the screen, click "Edit Ignore List." Follow the instructions on that screen.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigUmp56 (Post 570296)
Experts have time and time again proposed that the myth of a rising fastball has been perpetuated by real physics. By that I mean that what appears to some to be a rise in the pitch is actually a decline in it's trajectory that's less than the observer had anticipated. Tie that into proper tracking of pitches by the proper use of the eyes, and it does become of value to this forum.

Thanks for clarifying. That makes sense to me.

MrUmpire Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:37pm

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Originally Posted by BigUmp56 (Post 570316)
I would guess that there are members of this forum now that weren't members during the time this was so heavily debated. If the topic bores you because you've heard it all before, perhaps it's time to afford others an opportunity to play around with the subject matter. You ain't the only one on the playground.


Tim.

No, but I am, apparently, one of the vast majority with a brain.

I will agree with the moderator. The OP is crap.

waltjp Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:36pm

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Originally Posted by tip184 (Post 570313)
Maybe you didn't work enough AAA games to see a rising fastball. One or two games doesn't cut it if you don't have an overhand power pitcher who can throw mid 90's. Or maybe you aren't tracking the ball properly.

Are the insults necessary?

MrUmpire Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:06am

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Originally Posted by tip184 (Post 570313)
Maybe you didn't work enough AAA games to see a rising fastball.

Exactly how many games does one have to work to see something that doesn't happen?

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Okay, BigUmp. Now there's two posters functioning with the same limitations. I guess bringing up this myth for the gazillionth time was worthwhile after all.

briancurtin Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:32am

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Originally Posted by LDUB (Post 570249)
I can seem to find the link to add someone to my ignore list. Has that feature been removed?

Go to "User CP" at the top, then "Edit Ignore List"

JugglingReferee Tue Jan 20, 2009 07:04am

Tons of links to disprove the myth
 
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Originally Posted by Emperor Ump (Post 570117)
Mythbusters busted the "rising baseball" myth in their baseball special a while back.

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Originally Posted by Tim C (Post 570132)
I saw the Myth Busters piece.

I saw it too. http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=A1VClnk3l-k

Forgive the Wikipedia links.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBus...ising_Fastball :

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Myth statement: A fastball (pitched overhand) can lift itself higher into the air.
Status: Busted
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fastball#Rising_fastball :

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Such a pitch is known to be physically impossible, due to restrictions of gravity, conservation of momentum, and air density. It has been explained as an optical illusion.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/outd...81.html?page=2

http://www.sie.arizona.edu/sysengr/s...ngFastball.ppt

BigUmp56 Tue Jan 20, 2009 08:06am

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Originally Posted by MrUmpire (Post 570346)
Exactly how many games does one have to work to see something that doesn't happen?

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Okay, BigUmp. Now there's two posters functioning with the same limitations. I guess bringing up this myth for the gazillionth time was worthwhile after all.

I'm glad you're able to see that.............


Tim.


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