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Kevin Finnerty Wed Jan 07, 2009 06:00pm

If you're supposed to get and angle and get set ...
 
Why do so many MLB umpires makes so many calls on the move?

And I'm not talking about stepping into the call. They're on the run while they're seeing the play.

tip184 Wed Jan 07, 2009 07:23pm

A lot of MLB umpire's have poor mechanics in general, probably because their jobs are secure so they are free to do whatever they want. There are many MLB umpires who shouldn't be working professional baseball, but that's just the way it is.

MichaelVA2000 Wed Jan 07, 2009 07:32pm

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Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty (Post 565904)
Why do so many MLB umpires makes so many calls on the move?

And I'm not talking about stepping into the call. They're on the run while they're seeing the play.

As a MLB umpire once told me during a clinic: "Until you're wearing a hat that says MLB on it, perform your mechanics as the manual describes them."

ozzy6900 Wed Jan 07, 2009 07:40pm

Many MLB umpires wouldn't make it in a HS association as a rookie because they are just s l o w! But the difference is that they made it to their position in a better body frame and now it does not matter anymore! :rolleyes:

MajorDave Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:16pm

If you ever worked 4 man.....
 
You don't have to be in too good of a shape. You don't move very much at all. I found it to be kind of boring last year during HS regionals. 4 games of 4 man were 4 too many 4 me. The state check was smaller than a regular season check and I had to driver farther without mileage (crew chief kept it all - what a crock). All that prestige for half the money. My pride was worth a lot though. (tongue in cheek-Grin)

SethPDX Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:35pm

Wasn't it Jim Evans who said something like, "if I went and did an amateur game today I wouldn't be very good"?

The MLB guys are great, no doubt, but we probably shouldn't copy all their habits.

waltjp Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:30pm

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Originally Posted by MichaelVA2000 (Post 565924)

*As of 12/27/07 the original signature has been modified to humor Garth.

Garth hasn't been around in quite a while. Don't you think it's time to drop this?

bobbybanaduck Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:32pm

i wasn't aware that anyone read his posts anyway...

Klokard Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:51pm

Not to beat a dead horse, but yeah...they may not be in the best shape, nor always hustle to the play, but with experience, they can make the call. I am sure if you were to get a blog of all the close calls that the MLB guys make in a season, they get damn near almost all of them correct. I have been playing the game for some time now to try and get to D1 (College) and I know that seniority is over-rated. But, that's the way it is. Put in your time, and do the best you can.

Kevin Finnerty Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:02am

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Originally Posted by Klokard (Post 566001)
Not to beat a dead horse, but yeah...they may not be in the best shape, nor always hustle to the play, but with experience, they can make the call.

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Kevin Finnerty Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:04am

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Originally Posted by MajorDave (Post 565962)
The state check was smaller than a regular season check and I had to driver farther without mileage (crew chief kept it all - what a crock). All that prestige for half the money.

Man, first time I did four-man, I was the crew chief and I had to pick up the dinner check.

yawetag Thu Jan 08, 2009 03:35am

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Originally Posted by Klokard (Post 566001)
I am sure if you were to get a blog of all the close calls that the MLB guys make in a season, they get damn near almost all of them correct.

Here you go: The Left Field Corner

ETA: This only deals with close calls as they pertain to ejections, but still a good place for reference nonetheless.

gordon30307 Thu Jan 08, 2009 04:03pm

Guys in the show miss calls (not that many though) like everyone else. That being said use the mechanics that the powers that be want you to use in the games that you're assigned to. When you make it to the show you can make calls on the run as well. Until then when in Rome...............:D

MichaelVA2000 Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:12pm

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Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck (Post 565994)
i wasn't aware that anyone read his posts anyway...

Thus the diclaimer: The contents of this post (including any attachments) are non-confidential and / or non-proprietary. If you have read this in error, please promptly delete this post from your memory.

SanDiegoSteve Fri Jan 09, 2009 02:18am

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Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty (Post 566003)

Finally an umpire I'm skinnier than, Bruce Froemming!!!:p

RPatrino Fri Jan 09, 2009 07:29pm

Is Bruce wearing combo pants??

Seriously, I have sometimes wondered about all the 'running' around I see when I watch MLB games. Sometimes it seems to me like 'false hustle'. I once saw a 1b umpire go out on a routine fly ball and he sprinted like his Underarmour was aflame. He signaled the catch while flying past the RF and he finally slowed down on the warning track. I laughed so hard I almost fell out of my seat.

SanDiegoSteve Sat Jan 10, 2009 03:44am

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Originally Posted by RPatrino (Post 566909)
Is Bruce wearing combo pants??

Yes, he had to combine his a$s and his stomach into one pair of pants!;):eek:

DonInKansas Sun Jan 11, 2009 08:51am

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Originally Posted by yawetag (Post 566045)
Here you go: The Left Field Corner

ETA: This only deals with close calls as they pertain to ejections, but still a good place for reference nonetheless.

How does this guy know whether a ball/strike or a check swing was correct or not? Pure junk........

Rich Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:14am

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Originally Posted by DonInKansas (Post 567280)
How does this guy know whether a ball/strike or a check swing was correct or not? Pure junk........

And he uses pitch f/x and says a pitch was an inch or so off the plate, therefore a strike call was "incorrect."

Complete and utter nonsense, but I guess if his "game" is going to include that he has to have some mechanism for awarding points.

SanDiegoSteve Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:33am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 567306)
And he uses pitch f/x and says a pitch was an inch or so off the plate, therefore a strike call was "incorrect."

Complete and utter nonsense, but I guess if his "game" is going to include that he has to have some mechanism for awarding points.

Yes, it is a game. Yes, there are many participants, in fact it's a "fantasy" umpire league. And yes, there has to be some arbitrary way of determining correct and incorrect calls for the purpose of points. It is also a fun way of getting recaps of umpire ejections, and getting the backstories, inside information and stats that you won't find anywhere else.

But complete and utter nonsense, or junk? Hardly. The vast majority of the information is factual.


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