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Tim C Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:35pm

Hmmm,
 
The memo I was sent had an added paragraph that spoke directly to the NIKE bat.

My post kind of truncated that process.

Sorry.

TC

Here is exactly what I was sent:

Peter Weber of the OSAS sent Eliot an e-mail that was in association with my question concerning bats.

From Peter Weber Associatied Director of The Oregon School Activities Assocaiton (Baseball Coordinator). The memo was adressed to him and copied to me.

Please share this information with your staff, schools and baseball officials. The following baseball bats have been found rule-compliant by the NFHS for use in high school baseball:

1. DeMarini Vendetta

2. Reebok Vector O

"I also asked him about the Nike Aero Fuse and he said that was a legal bat."
Weber quote.

Kevin Finnerty Wed Feb 11, 2009 02:14pm

BESR stamp is there, kid gets to use it in my game. I won't ask any questions and the unit president or instructors hasn't covered in the meetings. BESR stamp=good enough for me. Let the hitter think it's helping him hit. It isn't.

JJ Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:42pm

Vendettas are LEGAL in IL
 
(no pun intended - I'm referring to the bat)

The DeMarini Vendetta bat, as of today, is now LEGAL in Illinois. This is a change from the original Illinois High School Association ruling. The online rules interp meeting will now also reflect this change.

The Reebok Vector O is still ILLEGAL in Illinois.

JJ

Steven Tyler Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:58pm

I saw a Reebok Vector 0 yesterday. It doesn't look as if it should be made illegal. it was properly stamped BESR.

bob jenkins Thu Feb 12, 2009 09:07am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ (Post 578380)
(no pun intended - I'm referring to the bat)

The DeMarini Vendetta bat, as of today, is now LEGAL in Illinois. This is a change from the original Illinois High School Association ruling. The online rules interp meeting will now also reflect this change.

The Reebok Vector O is still ILLEGAL in Illinois.

JJ

Why is the Vector ILLEGAL if the FED has said it's legal? (I know -- the handle isn't a cylinder. I guess the question is why has IL chosen to "override" the FED in this case? You can respond off-line if you'd like.)

bob jenkins Thu Feb 12, 2009 09:08am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 578397)
I saw a Reebok Vector 0 yesterday. It doesn't look as if it should be made illegal. it was properly stamped BESR.

BESR is only one criterion that a bat must have to be legal.

JJ Fri Feb 13, 2009 02:16pm

At the Illinois High School Interpreter's meeting we were told the Vendetta bat AND the Reebok were both ILLEGAL. Last week we got an email from Dave Gannaway, the IHSA Baseball guru, that the Vendetta was now LEGAL but the Reebok was still ILLEGAL. He gave no reasoning.
My bet is we wait a bit longer until the FED decides what IT wants to do, and then the IHSA will fall in line. Rule changes "on the fly"... I find it interesting that the rule book says "smooth cylinder", so there is support in black and white that would EASILY disallow these "gimmick" bats. By starting to make exceptions the FED has opened a can of worms and will necessitate individual rulings on many more such items in the years to come.

JJ

MrUmpire Fri Feb 13, 2009 02:36pm

FED could use a back bone transplant.

JJ Fri Feb 13, 2009 02:41pm

Both are now LEGAL in IL
 
I just received an email from the IHSA's Baseball guy, and both the Demarini Vendetta bat and the Reebok Vector O bat are now LEGAL in Illinois. As I suspected, the IHSA is going with the NFHS ruling.

JJ

johnnyg08 Fri Feb 13, 2009 02:42pm

it really makes minimal difference to us as officials...we're not shelling out hundreds of dollars for a bat. this will be one slide in the rules meeting...game, set, match.

bbsbvb83 Sat Feb 14, 2009 07:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ (Post 579159)
I just received an email from the IHSA's Baseball guy, and both the Demarini Vendetta bat and the Reebok Vector O bat are now LEGAL in Illinois. As I suspected, the IHSA is going with the NFHS ruling.

JJ

The following message is now posted in the "Case Plays" portion of the IHSA (Illinois) Officials' Center and Schools' Center:

"2/14 Illegal Bat

Boys Baseball

Coaches,

It is very important that you notify your baseball players that one bat meets the BESR certification but is illegal by rule since it is not round on the handle. The Reebock Vector O has been identified by the NFHS an Illegal bat.


THE NFHS HAS JUST NOTIFIED ALL STATE ASSOCIATIONS THIS BAT WILL BE LEGAL.

DAVE GANNAWAY
IHSA"

yawetag Sun Feb 15, 2009 04:15am

Wow. If we changed our mind this much in a game, we'd never see a field again.

SAump Sun Feb 15, 2009 02:50pm

Shipments Have Sailed
 
The NCAA or NFHS were not in a legal position to issue alternate rulings on any of the other bats right away. Approval of the first change in metal bat handle design opened the door for bat manufacturers to follow. Time will tell if these new bats offer significant advantages over BESR certification requirements. The NCAA and NFHS would then have to address the entire bat making industry.

TwoBits Mon Feb 16, 2009 05:24pm

Wow! I had no idea a post I made a month and a half ago had generated so much discussion!

ozzy6900 Tue Feb 17, 2009 09:24am

Quote:

Originally Posted by yawetag (Post 579579)
Wow. If we changed our mind this much in a game, we'd never see a field again.

No, this is what happens when States don't contact the National before making dumb decisions. The National ruled that these bats were legal for HS play a long time ago but ISHA thought that they were better at making this decision. I guess ISHA learned their lesson.


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