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SAump Fri Dec 26, 2008 07:08pm

New 2009 BRD Questions
 
There was a time when a new release came out every year.
Will there be an updated 2009 release date? Yes or no.

Perhaps a new issue isn't needed each and every year.
Is there a need for an updated 2009 release? Yes or no.

Does the size of the BRD, not being 8.5 by 11, really matter? Yes or no.

Any chance of combining a Jim Evans product with an Officiating.com membership offer? Yes or no.
Ex 1. $30 balk video and one-year offer
Ex 2. $60 umpire mechanics book and two-year offer

Membership info: http://shop.officiating.com/

I hope Officiating.com doesn't mind answering some tough questions like these.

Ump153 Sat Dec 27, 2008 06:51pm

Since Jim Evans owns a competing umpiring website/discussion board at which he offers discounts on merchandise with membership, I doubt this will happen here.

SAump Sun Dec 28, 2008 07:15pm

More than I expected
 
ABUA has JEA pasted all over their website. I never thought of JEA as an insurance guy.
A matter of time before NCAA/EASports publishes their training guides.
NFHS went into the publishing business. Amazon.com: Rules By Topic: Baseball 2008: National Federation of State High School Associations: Books
Why can’t they come to some agreement like ABUA has, or bury the hatchet?
The printed material is small potatoes to ANNUAL website membership fees.

Ump153 Sun Dec 28, 2008 07:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAump (Post 562215)
ABUA has JEA pasted all over their website. I never thought of JEA as an insurance guy.

Why can’t they come to some agreement like ABUA has, or bury the hatchet?

You don't get it...Evans bought ABUA.

SethPDX Sun Dec 28, 2008 08:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAump (Post 562215)
ABUA has JEA pasted all over their website.

Jim Evans is all over the ABUA site because he now owns the ABUA site.

SAump Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:29pm

Selling a dream
 
How many quality products does this website offer an umpire?
The price of membership gains "accessibility" to an internet database.
I am one of many officials demanding internet services.
Am I willing to pay $50 to $90 for 1 annual website subscription?
I haven't spent a dime on JEA material.
I haven't renewed my Officiating.com membership in 2 years.
So I join OC again and JEA sells a video/book. Did it hurt anybody?

Ump153 Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAump (Post 562280)

Am I willing to pay $50 to $90 for 1 annual website subscription?

Beats me. Are you?

Quote:

I haven't spent a dime on JEA material.
That partially explains some of your weirder posts.

Quote:

I haven't renewed my Officiating.com membership in 2 years.
I'm sure you've been misssed.

Quote:

So I join OC again and JEA/ESO sells a video/book. Did it hurt anybody?
Evans would either have to give up some of his profit to OC for their services, or OC would have to mark the book up and charge their members more than Evans is charging ABUA members.

Do you have some notion that businesses need to operate in your best interests instead of theirs?

Or, is all of this the result of you falling off the wagon for the holidays?

Ump153 Mon Dec 29, 2008 03:11am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAump (Post 562323)
JEA, BRD, and J/R are showing up on eBay for $9.99.
Seems everyone is cutting deals except the ones who stand to gain the most.

Really?

From Ebay:

"0 results found for Jim Evans Annotated rules baseball"
"0 results found for Jaska Roder"


If any have been sold, they were sold by private previous owners, not the authors or publishers. They are not cutting deals on Ebay. How far are you willing to stretch reality and ignore common business practice to attempt to prove an invaild point?

Pour another one.

SAump Mon Dec 29, 2008 03:14am

Nonsiquitor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ump153 (Post 562324)
Those are being sold by by private previous owners, not the authors or publishers. They are not cutting deals on Ebay. How far are you willing to stretch reality and ignore common business practice to attempt to prove an invaild point?

Pour another one.

try again
I paid $14 for MLBUM.
How much did it cost you?

Ump153 Mon Dec 29, 2008 03:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAump (Post 562325)
try again
I paid $14 for MLBUM.
How much did it cost you?

I was given mine free by an ML umpire who is an acquaintance. Why is that important to you? Neither what you or I or anyone pays for the MLBUM has any bearing on where Evans should sell his works or what OC should offer.

You show no understanding of business matters.

Perhaps it will all make sense in the morning...after a bit of the hair of the dog, of course.

mbyron Mon Dec 29, 2008 09:08am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ump153 (Post 562324)
Really?

From Ebay:

"0 results found for Jim Evans Annotated rules baseball"
"0 results found for Jaska Roder"


If any have been sold, they were sold by private previous owners, not the authors or publishers. They are not cutting deals on Ebay. How far are you willing to stretch reality and ignore common business practice to attempt to prove an invaild point?

Pour another one.

Try spelling his name correctly. Better, click this link to go directly to the item.

And note that "smart" is part of "smartazz."

SAump Mon Dec 29, 2008 01:41pm

Latest MLBUM?
 
Where there any significant differences in the MLBUM from 2007 to 2009?

If so, which MLBUM incorporated the rule changes accepted by MLB?
A) 2007, B) 2008, C) 2009

Ump153 Mon Dec 29, 2008 01:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 562351)
Try spelling his name correctly. Better, click this link to go directly to the item.

And note that "smart" is part of "smartazz."

Thank you for pointing out my error. While I will concede that someone is selling their J/R (not for 9.99 as alleged), this does nothing to address the point I was making. But thanks again.

socalblue1 Mon Dec 29, 2008 07:35pm

Simple: OC publishes the BRD and as such pays a fraction of the retail price as an actual cost when someone subscribes to the paid side.

Products from Evans or anyone else would carry a far higher cost to OC, making it much less attractive.

I suspect that most paid subscriptions from baseball umpires were as a result of the BRD deal. For me simply not enough meat on the paid side to warrant the expense otherwise.

mbyron Tue Dec 30, 2008 08:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ump153 (Post 562453)
Thank you for pointing out my error. While I will concede that someone is selling their J/R (not for 9.99 as alleged), this does nothing to address the point I was making. But thanks again.

You're welcome. And, if the erroneous info from eBay does nothing to address the point you were trying to make, why include it at all?

Ump153 Tue Dec 30, 2008 01:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 562672)
You're welcome. And, if the erroneous info from eBay does nothing to address the point you were trying to make, why include it at all?


I was challenging the inference that JEA and J/R material was available by their authors/publishers for 9.99 on Ebay. The results of my accidental misspelling did not dispute that point. Is that clearer?

SAump Tue Dec 30, 2008 02:34pm

Another non sequitur
 
Quote:

Ump153
Quote:
Originally Posted by kylejt
Was he still in the dirt circle?

Why would this matter? Are you confusing the rule change for failing to run on a dropped third strike with missing home plate?
Quote:

Even though the "dirt area" was included in the D3K senarios, it has no place in determining when a runner can correct his non-touch of home. The protest would/should be upheld if one should arise. We cannot make up arbitrary rules for which there is no support.
Quote:

Umpmazza
ok here is the answer...

In (a), R2 is not out and the run counts. F2 would have had to tag him for the appeal. In (b), it is an appeal play and R2 is out since he left the plate area heading for the dugout. The runner has to make an Immediate effort to return, of course this is a judgment call.
The dirt circle is in the interpretation from the NCAA Study Guide.
The JEA discusses the same point (relaxed/unrelaxed).
Non-touch implied R2 was inside the circle, and missed plate implied he had left the vicinity.
It is a step and a reach if we can't discuss these finer points within the rules or rule differences?

Can't I always be right? :) I can't always be right. :(

SAump Tue Dec 30, 2008 03:05pm

Challenge Denied
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ump153 (Post 562751)
I was challenging the inference that JEA and J/R material was available by their authors/publishers for 9.99 on Ebay. The results of my accidental misspelling did not dispute that point. Is that clearer?

Quote:

Quote:
Originally Posted by SAump
JEA, BRD, and J/R are showing up on eBay for $9.99.
Seems everyone is cutting deals except the ones who stand to gain the most.
My statement was made prior to any bids, $9.99.
I would like to add MLBUM to my original statement.
The challenge that you saw it later at a higher price is denied.
The stipulation about the authors and included as if I had made the implication is also denied.
Is there anything you would like me to re-touch? :D

SethPDX Wed Dec 31, 2008 01:08am

*sigh*...
Against my better judgment, but just in case some are confused...

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAump (Post 562943)
Are you confusing the rule change for dirt circle with plate area because some plate areas are not circles?

The dirt circle has nothing to do with the play you are referring to. The dirt circle only comes into play on a dropped third strike in an OBR game. The play in question has already been discussed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAump (Post 562946)
Read this thread again from start to finish.

I have been following this thread. It started as a discussion about where to purchase various study guides for the rules, and abruptly became a continuation of an entirely different thread--a thread in which the original question was answered a long time ago.


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