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BigUmp56 Wed Sep 03, 2008 06:15pm

Methinks we're being played.


Either that or Lance wears number 99!




Tim.

canadaump6 Wed Sep 03, 2008 06:42pm

A lot of the same people bashing the OP fail to realize that they are the ones who support the "outs make the game move quicker" philosophy. Ozzy himself used to use the signature "When in doubt, call him out". How many times have people here praised the mercy rule for helping them get home sooner, or said they would take an extra strike (on a check swing) even if they didn't think the batter went around? Even opening up the strike zone could be considered "cheating", regardless of the score. Umpire99 is not the first person to adopt the attitude of calling more strikes and outs to get the game over with.

Rich Wed Sep 03, 2008 06:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadaump6
A lot of the same people bashing the OP fail to realize that they are the ones who support the "outs make the game move quicker" philosophy. Ozzy himself used to use the signature "When in doubt, call him out". How many times have people here praised the mercy rule for helping them get home sooner, or said they would take an extra strike (on a check swing) even if they didn't think the batter went around? Even opening up the strike zone could be considered "cheating", regardless of the score. Umpire99 is not the first person to adopt the attitude of calling more strikes and outs to get the game over with.

Maybe when you have umpired for a little while longer, you'll understand the difference. I doubt it, though.

bluezebra Wed Sep 03, 2008 06:47pm

[QUOTE=Nigel Tufnel]
Quote:

Originally Posted by umpire99
In an effort to get the game over, I called R3 out.

You want outs that bad, open up your strikezone...

Not much difference here. You're cheating the batters out of a legitimate strike zone.

Bob

TussAgee11 Wed Sep 03, 2008 06:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadaump6
A lot of the same people bashing the OP fail to realize that they are the ones who support the "outs make the game move quicker" philosophy. Ozzy himself used to use the signature "When in doubt, call him out". How many times have people here praised the mercy rule for helping them get home sooner, or said they would take an extra strike (on a check swing) even if they didn't think the batter went around? Even opening up the strike zone could be considered "cheating", regardless of the score. Umpire99 is not the first person to adopt the attitude of calling more strikes and outs to get the game over with.

Sorry, but you're wrong.

On your check swing analogy, we are talking about getting a strike back that did happen. Nobody is saying to make a strike up, just we want to get it back if it happened.

The mercy rule is an actual rule, by following it, we get home sooner. But its not like we make it up, as the OP did.

No good umpire agrees with opening the strike zone.

And the "when in doubt, call him out" philosophy is for when those select moments happen where the human eye is incapable of distinguishing which event happened first (ball or foot). Not even a philosophy, a rule. The runner has to BEAT the ball. So, if we can't tell if he beat it, then he would be... OUT.

Stop taking on the world, particularly when it comes to umpiring. Don't act like everything everybody says is inherently wrong or always take the minority position so you can pick a fight. Not only is it annoying, it will NOT impress evaluators/assignors, it will piss off game participants, and, most importantly, it will NOT make you a good umpire.

Sorry to be blunt, but its a recurring theme with you. Maybe you'll listen to a young guy like me rather than some of the vets on the board.

SethPDX Wed Sep 03, 2008 07:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadaump6
A lot of the same people bashing the OP fail to realize that they are the ones who support the "outs make the game move quicker" philosophy. Ozzy himself used to use the signature "When in doubt, call him out". How many times have people here praised the mercy rule for helping them get home sooner, or said they would take an extra strike (on a check swing) even if they didn't think the batter went around? Even opening up the strike zone could be considered "cheating", regardless of the score. Umpire99 is not the first person to adopt the attitude of calling more strikes and outs to get the game over with.

:eek: Oh my...

Tuss gave a good, reasoned, serious answer. I'll give credit where it's due for that, because all I can say right now is, wow. Just...wow.

Outs that are supported by the rules do make the game move faster.

Nigel Tufnel Wed Sep 03, 2008 09:20pm

[QUOTE=bluezebra]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Tufnel

Not much difference here. You're cheating the batters out of a legitimate strike zone.

Bob

Please Bob, don't take that quote literally.
Steve had the heart to fix my post.

Let's stay on topic, this guy Ump99 is a douche.
Oh yeah, and his partner should keep his pie-hole shut too.

L.A. Umpire Guy Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:01pm

The only partners I have ever offended are from my hustling when they don't, or from my being fair when they want me to be expeditious.

Nigel Tufnel Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A. Umpire Guy
The only partners I have ever offended are from my hustling when they don't, or from my being fair when they want me to be expeditious.

I know those guys...they're called fossils

In it for the money only, and the game has passed them by...:D

Nigel Tufnel Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:22pm

and another thing
 
I think this thread was started here, when it should have been tacked on to the aforementioned---Buying yourself (and your partner) trouble...

a propos..don't you think :D

ozzy6900 Thu Sep 04, 2008 06:06am

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadaump6
A lot of the same people bashing the OP fail to realize that they are the ones who support the "outs make the game move quicker" philosophy. Ozzy himself used to use the signature "When in doubt, call him out". How many times have people here praised the mercy rule for helping them get home sooner, or said they would take an extra strike (on a check swing) even if they didn't think the batter went around? Even opening up the strike zone could be considered "cheating", regardless of the score. Umpire99 is not the first person to adopt the attitude of calling more strikes and outs to get the game over with.

You need to learn the difference between humor ("When in doubt, bang 'em out") and reality! My signature is an old saying that we use after a few beers. It never, NEVER finds its way onto the field, my friend! And in none of my posts will you ever see me telling people to lie or cheat! I tell them the THINK strikes and outs but I never, EVER tell them to fabricate them!

mbyron Thu Sep 04, 2008 06:49am

I think our poster is a fairly common type. I'm judging by my experience of having been accused of this kind of cheating on out calls late in the game (usually regardless of score): any banger after the 5th risks a remark like "he's got a date" or "he must be hungry."

Of course, rats don't need an excuse to accuse someone of cheating, but they've probably seen it from time to time. I bet this poster didn't expect the reaction he got, though...

piaa_ump Thu Sep 04, 2008 08:52am

my .02
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RPatrino
If you actually have done what you claim in this post, you have done a grave disservice to the rest of us.


I agree 100 % ...... This is "the" point.....everytime someone does something like this, it hurts the rest of us........I get every out and strike the rules allow honestly........we need to follow the military academies honor code.........we wont cheat or tolerate those that do.................

umpire99 Thu Sep 04, 2008 09:08am

Funny
 
It is funny how you guys get on here and tear each other apart. Had this post been made by the coach about how the umpire told him that the call would have been different in a close game you guys would have ripped the coach for complaining. Someone would have probably told the coach that he was completely wrong and that he had no idea if the umpire was making the call because of the score. Even though the umpire actually told the coach that he would have called it differently.

L.A. Umpire Guy Thu Sep 04, 2008 09:25am

The subject was about two umpires: one who is tactless and unfair, and one who is simply unfair. Both are objectionable to many of us. Why is that hard to understand?


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