Orioles-Yankees Game

[JR12]

Bottom 3, 1 out, Huff at bat. Line drive up the middle. The ball looks like a heat seeking missle, locked in on 2nd base umpire Ed Rappa(something). who is deep B. At the last second he spreads his legs and the ball goes through them and into CF for an RBI single.
Then the brilliant HOF pitcher now commentator Jim Palmer says "had that hit 2b ump it would have been a live ball". I have also heard him more than once say "tie goes to the runner"

[BigUmp56]

Why wouldn't the ball remain live if Rapuano was in deep B and the ball hit him....

Tim.

[umpduck11]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

Why wouldn't the ball remain live if Rapuano was in deep B and the ball hit him....

Tim.

If a batted ball strikes an umpire before passing an infielder, other than the pitcher, doesn't the ball become dead, with BR going to first, and any forced runners advancing one base ?

Chuck

[umpjong]

Originally Posted by umpduck11

If a batted ball strikes an umpire before passing an infielder, other than the pitcher, doesn't the ball become dead, with BR going to first, and any forced runners advancing one base ?

Chuck

You are correct.

Rule 5.09(f) Comment: If a fair ball touches an umpire working in the infield after it has bounded past, or over, the pitcher, it is a dead ball. If a batted ball is deflected by a fielder in fair territory and hits a runner or an umpire while still in flight and then caught by an infielder it shall not be a catch, but the ball shall remain in play.

[DG]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

I believe BigUmp56's point is that U2 in DEEP B may very likely be behind the fielders on this play.

Not likely.

[JR12]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

I believe BigUmp56's point is that U2 in DEEP B may very likely be behind the fielders on this play.

Ump was on the infield grass in deep B. If it had struck him it would have been a dead ball and cost the Orioles a run. I don't know how he avoided it.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

I believe BigUmp56's point is that U2 in DEEP B may very likely be behind the fielders on this play.

Even if the infield was playing way in on the grass (which they weren't), U2 is still supposed to set up in front, not behind, the infielders. If U2 is hit, ball is dead, batter credited with a single and all forced runners advance. Not forced, no advance. Sucks for them .

[Keefj200]

I have also heard HOF Joe Morgan say on two occasions that a tie goes to the runner. His broadcast partner, in both instances, replied - The runner has to beat the throw. He left it at that...never wishing to be confrontational with Joe.

[greymule]

He left it at that...never wishing to be confrontational with Joe.

I've sometimes wondered what I would do if I were an announcer and the other guy said something outrageously wrong, like hands part of bat or has to hold a catch for 3 seconds.

[DG]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Folks.....I didn't make the argument...I reported/intepreted it. Please address BigUmp56 with any concerns.

Thank you.

You reported/interpreted that you "believe BigUmp56's point is that U2 in DEEP B may very likely be behind the fielders on this play."

BigUmp56 post looked like a question to me instead of an argument. Your "interpretation" was innacurate so why address BigUmp56 with your inaccurate interpretation?

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by DG

You reported/interpreted that you "believe BigUmp56's point is that U2 in DEEP B may very likely be behind the fielders on this play."

BigUmp56 post looked like a question to me instead of an argument. Your "interpretation" was innacurate so why address BigUmp56 with your inaccurate interpretation?

I don't believe I posted anything as an argument.

If it turns out I misinterpreted BigUmpr56's post, I apology for my error. I was not looking for a fight, just an explanation.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

I thought from the OP that the ump was in the outfield grass...

Deep B is on the edge of the infield grass. Regular B used in 2-man and some 3-man situations but is not used in 4-man mechanics. I don't know the term for U2 standing in the outfield when there is no one on base or R3 only. I guess it's called "standing in the outfield."

[JR12]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Deep B is on the edge of the infield grass. Regular B used in 2-man and some 3-man situations but is not used in 4-man mechanics. I don't know the term for U2 standing in the outfield when there is no one on base or R3 only. I guess it's called "standing in the outfield."

Steve, I think it's refered to as "the pasture" or E.