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greymule Wed Aug 20, 2008 08:04am

Update on "But is he a Smitty?"
 
Someone on the softball board discovered that the award to the convicted child molester has been revoked.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nati...ry/648244.html

johnnyg08 Wed Aug 20, 2008 08:17am

I'm thinking that after the award became a national controversy...it was a good idea to take the award back.

waltjp Wed Aug 20, 2008 09:15am

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Originally Posted by johnnyg08
I'm thinking that after the award became a national controversy...it was a good idea to take the award back.

Still, it doesn't excuse their poor judgement in the first place. Can you really expect to put the genie back in the bottle?

johnnyg08 Wed Aug 20, 2008 09:23am

I agree with you waltjp

rei Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:46am

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Originally Posted by johnnyg08
I agree with you waltjp

So do I, which makes taking it back even worse than giving it in the first place!

johnnyg08 Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:55am

another good point...even though it looks crappy...taking the award back was the right thing to do. either way it made national news...

JJ Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:03am

:( Sort of cheapens all of those award that organization gave out previously....I don't know if I'd keep mine....too bad...

JJ

johnnyg08 Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:07am

Why would you give it back? The molester award aside...often times there are situations where people feel that somebody doesn't deserve an award for whatever reason. again, the molester award aside.

I see what you're saying JJ, but I don't quite understand how your award would be cheapened because they stupidly gave an award to somebody who is in the .0000000001% of our umpire circle...those who deservedly earned the award...have placed their individual value on that specific award. thoughts?

SanDiegoSteve Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:22am

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Originally Posted by johnnyg08
Why would you give it back? The molester award aside...often times there are situations where people feel that somebody doesn't deserve an award for whatever reason. again, the molester award aside.

What molester award? I thought they gave him an award for his umpiring service.:confused:

SanDiegoSteve Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:03pm

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Originally Posted by johnnyg08

if they give the damn award to a convicted child molester...what do you think the name of the award should be?

Uh....the Umpire Lifetime Achievement Award?

JJ Wed Aug 20, 2008 06:48pm

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
What molester award? I thought they gave him an award for his umpiring service.:confused:

Now THAT'S funny...:D
JJ

Forest Ump Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:45pm

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Originally Posted by JJ
:( Sort of cheapens all of those award that organization gave out previously....I don't know if I'd keep mine....too bad...

JJ


That reminds me of the Nobel Peace Prize. If they can give one to Al Gore it can't be much of an award.

mbyron Thu Aug 21, 2008 07:40am

That was an AP story. I'm glad it got picked up in Miami. I wonder whether CT cared at all.

dash_riprock Thu Aug 21, 2008 09:27am

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Originally Posted by Forest Ump
That reminds me of the Nobel Peace Prize. If they can give one to Al Gore it can't be much of an award.

They gave one to Jimmy Carter too, which I think makes Lou Piniella eligible automatically.

Hemibee Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:24am

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Originally Posted by JJ
:( Sort of cheapens all of those award that organization gave out previously....I don't know if I'd keep mine....too bad...

JJ

I have to agree with JJ, on first glance it would appear to cheapen all the others since they gave the award knowing what this person is.

JRutledge Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:29am

I do not see how this cheapens anything. The people wanted to honor a person and made a mistake. If I had received an award or was a member, I might not be happy, but I would not be give back awards or resign just because of this incident. I am not personally responsible for the actions of other people.

Peace

Hemibee Thu Aug 21, 2008 01:53pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge
I do not see how this cheapens anything. The people wanted to honor a person and made a mistake. If I had received an award or was a member, I might not be happy, but I would not be give back awards or resign just because of this incident. I am not personally responsible for the actions of other people.

Peace

You are correct. My comment was only at first glance it would appear to cheapen the others. Maybe I should have said more but didn't. I think the problem I had with the award was their comment they knew about the problems he has and decided to award it any way. Sorry if I came across as saying the others were less than outstanding individuals. I should have completed my original comments or not used the quote and comment that I agreed. My bad.

JRutledge Thu Aug 21, 2008 02:02pm

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Originally Posted by Hemibee
You are correct. My comment was only at first glance it would appear to cheapen the others. Maybe I should have said more but didn't. I think the problem I had with the award was their comment they knew about the problems he has and decided to award it any way. Sorry if I came across as saying the others were less than outstanding individuals. I should have completed my original comments or not used the quote and comment that I agreed. My bad.

That is on the board and the people that made the decision, not everyone that received the same award in the past and certainly not everyone in the future. I guess I do not have enough information to be satisfied to have such a strong opinion either way. People make mistakes and decisions were made to correct those mistakes. I bet there were people that did not even know he was a convicted sex offender or the history.

Peace

greymule Thu Aug 21, 2008 04:47pm

That reminds me of the Nobel Peace Prize. If they can give one to Al Gore it can't be much of an award.

The Peace Prize is the joke of the Nobels. Even Yasir Arafat got one.

mbyron Fri Aug 22, 2008 06:57am

Jokes don't come with a million dollar award.

umpduck11 Fri Aug 22, 2008 07:18am

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Originally Posted by mbyron
Jokes don't come with a million dollar award.


Sometimes bad jokes do......:rolleyes:


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