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njdevs00cup Mon Jul 21, 2008 09:35am

Train Wreck @ the Plate
 
Men's league, R3 and R1 two outs. Batter hits a swinging bunt directly to F1. F1 flips the ball to F2, and a collision occurs between F2, R3 and PU. I have no idea why F1 flipped the ball to F2 or why PU is on the third baseline. PU ends up face down and is shaking. I call time as both teams are screaming (defense out, offense umpire interference ???) I check on my partner's condition and after he says he's ok, I ask what call he made. He said he didn't see the play and was knocked out for a second. I called R3 safe. Home team protests the game. Is this the correct procedure in such a case?

BTW: R3 did not maliciously run over the catcher.

If anyone had a video camera at the game this will end up on YouTube!

greymule Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:03am

Protests on what basis exactly? What rule was supposedly misapplied?

BigUmp56 Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:27am

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Originally Posted by greymule
Protests on what basis exactly? What rule was supposedly misapplied?

Possibly misguidedly wanting an umpire INT call.....................

Calling time during live ball play with multiple runners for reasons other than those defined by rule..................


Tim.

kylejt Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:38am

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Originally Posted by njdevs00cup
PU ends up face down and is shaking. I call time ....


Eff the rules, I'm checking my partner. We can sort out the baseball details later.

Rcichon Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:20am

Op..
 
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Originally Posted by njdevs00cup
Men's league, R3 and R1 two outs. Batter hits a swinging bunt directly to F1. ....clipped....

BR out, 3rd out? Did I miss something?

The rest of it can wait until partner gets up and is ok.

bluezebra Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:27am

[QUOTE=Rcichon BR out, 3rd out? Did I miss something?

The rest of it can wait until partner gets up and is ok.[/QUOTE]

BR out, 3rd out?

WHY?

Bob

bob jenkins Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:07pm

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Originally Posted by Rcichon
BR out, 3rd out? Did I miss something?

The rest of it can wait until partner gets up and is ok.

I assume the "swinging bunt" was not caught in flight by F1

SanDiegoSteve Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:26pm

If F2 did not tag R3, where can you get an out? Score the run, 2 outs still, play on McDuff. There was no umpire interference, just a train wreck. How can you punish the offense because F1 was too stupid to throw to first to get the BR, but instead made a bonehead throw to F2 that nobody was expecting (especially the PU).

Now, this is twice now in recent days I've heard of a plate umpire standing in the baseline where he has no business standing. It's 3rd baseline extended, not in the baseline itself, people. Sheesh.

njdevs00cup Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:29pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
I assume the "swinging bunt" was not caught in flight by F1

No, the ball was not caught. With two outs, the ball "should have" gone to first base. The batter was about 1/3 of the way down the baseline when F1 picked up the ball!

njdevs00cup Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigUmp56
Possibly misguidedly wanting an umpire INT call.....................

Calling time during live ball play with multiple runners for reasons other than those defined by rule..................


Tim.

Tim, you got it! They were looking for umpire interference! No can do!

LMan Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:52pm

They can protest, but I don't see what they are going to hang their hat on. This isn't UI. R3 safe, play on!


...or call time, BR on 1B, check on PU, as the case may be. BR was prob already standing on 1B when BU realized PU was hurt badly enough to warrant killing the play.

njdevs00cup Mon Jul 21, 2008 01:23pm

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
Now, this is twice now in recent days I've heard of a plate umpire standing in the baseline where he has no business standing. It's 3rd baseline extended, not in the baseline itself, people. Sheesh.

SD Steve, I can see where the topic of doing games over your head or ability level comes into play! When I was doing the pre-game with PU (never worked w/ him before), I got the impression that he had done this some many times he didn't even bother w/ a pre-game or he had no clue! Unfortunately the latter was the case. He never moved from behind the plate (until he was run over), verbalized swinging strikes and yelled fair ball! I am thankful that the players were gentleman, as this could have been a very ugly situation!

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Jul 21, 2008 04:32pm

Geez Louise!! We just had this thread started by me last week. This is NOT umpire interference and we can't use the "god" clause either. The runner is safe at home.

MTD, Sr.

njdevs00cup Mon Jul 21, 2008 04:52pm

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Geez Louise!! We just had this thread started by me last week. This is NOT umpire interference and we can't use the "god" clause either. The runner is safe at home.

MTD, Sr.

I tried to explain this to 30 and 40 somethings trying to recapture their glory years!

Adam Mon Jul 21, 2008 05:05pm

For some of them, this is their glory years.

njdevs00cup Mon Jul 21, 2008 05:15pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
For some of them, this is their glory years.

True! I have to say that a few guys did actually care more about the PU's well being than the game. PU did decide to finish the game and I encouraged him to get of out Dodge quickly!

soundedlikeastrike Mon Jul 21, 2008 08:08pm

Wow, what was he doing? Guess he thought 3BLXT meant either side of HP?
Probably a good thing he wasn't around to make a call, who know's what thata been like; "Dead ball, that's U int and obs. (one hand over head one straight out), DO OVER"?

Hope he's okay and comes back with a bit of sense knocked into him.

Far as call of time in your OP, sounds okay to me:
5.10 The ball becomes dead when an umpire calls “Time.” The umpire-in-chief shall call “Time”—
(b) When light failure makes it difficult or impossible for the umpires to follow the play; "sounds like his lights were definetly out" sorry bout that...
Or more realistically:
(c) When an accident incapacitates a player or an umpire;

What happened to the ball? Did F2 catch it?

waltjp Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:17pm

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Originally Posted by njdevs00cup
He said he didn't see the play and was knocked out for a second.

Did you require a doctor's note before allowing the PU to return to the game? :D


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Home team protests the game.
On what grounds? :confused:


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BTW: R3 did not maliciously run over the catcher.
But did he maliciously run over the PU!? :eek:

TussAgee11 Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:36pm

Happens to the best of umpires at the biggest moment too...

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wadeintothem Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:48pm

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Originally Posted by BigUmp56
Calling time during live ball play with multiple runners for reasons other than those defined by rule..................


Tim.

:rolleyes: that was pretty good...


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