pickoff at 2nd, what's the call?

[chuckfan1]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Jesus. I never said not sliding was the reason for anything. I said that when I read "he went in standing up" all it meant to me was that he didn't slide. I was saying I read nothing more into it.

I am, saying, in the real world, at the levels of big boy ball I have worked, that play happens bang/bang....not as a devleoping "happening",. and in that sceario, I've got an out. If that means you disagree and Rei never works with me, I'm okay with that.

Before you twist anything else, I'll just withdraw from this thread.

Easy Luciano...no reason to retire from the thread, all opinions are welcome, thats what makes it fun, and guys can learn.
I believe you mentioned it twice, about the sliding thing, which, to me, implies it had something to do with the play. Which it shouldnt. No prob.
And you continue to mention how this type of play is bang-bang. All Im saying is so? But, everything in the post seems to indicate it wasnt a true banger.
All Im saying is, on judgement plays we go with the information we are presented with. If a fielder makes an off-line throw to first, and we have to adjust, we are not getting the best look we can, the best information.
On this play, we are going with the information given in the post.
This play should only be judged on one thing. What caused the runner to come off the base.
Was he not stable on the bag, the SS makes a routine play, they both came off, and a tag? An out.
or...
as in this play, the post seems to indicate the runner was on the bag, and based on the post, the runner had the bag, and the throw took the SS into the runner AFTER he caught the throw, off-balance..etc
Yes a judgement call. But judgement should be based on experience, training, knowledge.
A runner appearing to have control of his body, and the bag, and the SS trying to receive the throw, and that throw taking him into the runner. How could you not have a safe??

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by chuckfan1

as in this play, the post seems to indicate the runner was on the bag, and based on the post, the runner had the bag, and the throw took the SS into the runner AFTER he caught the throw, off-balance..etc

Again, I disagree with your assement of the play.

Yes a judgement call. But judgement should be based on experience, training, knowledge.

Which is exactly what I have been doing. In my experience this play happens at once, not in stages, and my training and experience has me calling the out.

A runner appearing to have control of his body, and the bag, and the SS trying to receive the throw,

Says who? That's how you read it. That's not how I read it. That's the basis or our disgreement. Neither of us were there and we are intepreting the OP differently.

I can live with that, can you?

and that throw taking him into the runner. How could you not have a safe??

As stated so well by you above: experience, training and knowldege.