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LeeBallanfant Sun Jun 29, 2008 08:36pm

Jon Miller on Minor League Umpires
 
After Rob Drake ejected Piniella on Sunday Night Baseball, Miller just had to mention that Drake and Fairchild are minor league umpires called up etc.

In the last 4 years Drake has umpired more games in the majors than any other major league umpire.

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/D/Pdrakr901.htm

Rich Sun Jun 29, 2008 08:46pm

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Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant
After Rob Drake ejected Piniella on Sunday Night Baseball, Miller just had to mention that Drake and Fairchild are minor league umpires called up etc.

In the last 4 years Drake has umpired more games in the majors than any other major league umpire.

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/D/Pdrakr901.htm

Something messed up with a system where a guy who has worked almost 1000 (and will hit 1000 this season, probably) games isn't considered full-time.

SanDiegoSteve Sun Jun 29, 2008 09:17pm

Jon Miller is a myopic San Francisco Giant homer who pretends he knows a lot. He probably had that statistic given to him from the truck into his headset.

JRutledge Sun Jun 29, 2008 09:53pm

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
Jon Miller is a myopic San Francisco Giant homer who pretends he knows a lot. He probably had that statistic given to him from the truck into his headset.

What the heck does that have to do with this post? I mean the San Francisco Giants homer part. ;)

Peace

SanDiegoSteve Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:34pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge
What the heck does that have to do with this post? I mean the San Francisco Giants homer part. ;)

Nothing. Just an observation and a factoid.

BigUmp56 Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:14am

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
Nothing. Just an observation and a factoid.

From a *HUGE* Padres fan.......................;)

I always say the same thing about Hawk Harrelson. Anytime (and it's often) he says something stupid, it's because he's a Sox homer.


Tim.

jimpiano Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:45am

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
Jon Miller is a myopic San Francisco Giant homer who pretends he knows a lot. He probably had that statistic given to him from the truck into his headset.

That is what producers are for, to supply information when the situation warrants it.

CO ump Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:49am

More interesting to me than Millers team loyalties and Drakes employment status is this whole ejection process.
Pinnella came out to talk/yell at Fairchild, doesn't look like he said a word to Drake.
Fairchild put up the stop sign and Pinnella obeyed, Pinnella is walking back to dugout when Drake gave him the heave ho.

Why would Drake step in on Fairchild's battle?
I'm not questioning whether Pinnella should or shouldn't have been ejected, just wondering why it was Drake that did it.
Fairchild is a big boy, why did Drake need to step on him like that?

Grail Mon Jun 30, 2008 01:05pm

My question is, why would MLB assign two minor league umpires to the same game? I realize that Drake logs as many or more MLB games as a full-time ump, but common sense says that you spread out the "part-timers" amongst several crews so that they have the "full-timers" to help them out.

jimpiano Mon Jun 30, 2008 01:09pm

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Originally Posted by CO ump
More interesting to me than Millers team loyalties and Drakes employment status is this whole ejection process.
Pinnella came out to talk/yell at Fairchild, doesn't look like he said a word to Drake.
Fairchild put up the stop sign and Pinnella obeyed, Pinnella is walking back to dugout when Drake gave him the heave ho.

Why would Drake step in on Fairchild's battle?
I'm not questioning whether Pinnella should or shouldn't have been ejected, just wondering why it was Drake that did it.

Because Fairchild didn't.

mattmets Mon Jun 30, 2008 01:36pm

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Originally Posted by Grail
My question is, why would MLB assign two minor league umpires to the same game? I realize that Drake logs as many or more MLB games as a full-time ump, but common sense says that you spread out the "part-timers" amongst several crews so that they have the "full-timers" to help them out.

Why does it matter? If MLB thinks you're qualified to work MLB games, you can do it no matter what. Are you saying if Tim Welke (or any other "full-timer") was at first base there's no way that situation happens? Piniella's a rat, always has been, and I'm sure Rob and Chad can both defend their actions well.

zebra2955 Mon Jun 30, 2008 01:44pm

I just think it was chicken s**t to heave him with his backed turned. Be a man and at least wait for him to turn around and look in his eyes when you dump him.

Grail Mon Jun 30, 2008 02:57pm

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Originally Posted by mattmets
Why does it matter? If MLB thinks you're qualified to work MLB games, you can do it no matter what. Are you saying if Tim Welke (or any other "full-timer") was at first base there's no way that situation happens? Piniella's a rat, always has been, and I'm sure Rob and Chad can both defend their actions well.

I'm not saying that at all. The same situation could have occurred with anyone on the game.

What I'm saying is, why not mix in the so-called "lesser umps" with the "more experienced" umps. It's makes sense as a means of mentoring the up and comers.

If you were scheduling 2 varsity HS games with 2-man crews, would it make sense to put 2 up and coming umps on the same game, and 2 veterans on the other game? It might work out that way, but it makes more sense to pair 1 vet with 1 new guy, and the other vet with the other new guy.

Baseball had 15 games yesterday. Surely they could spread out the "minor" umps throughout baseball, instead of putting them together.

Would the outcome have been different? Probably not. Should Lou have been tossed? Absolutely. Should it come from the guy behind his back, that he isn't talking to? I've seen some say yes, but personally, I want to take care of my own business, and if I don't choose to lower the boom, I should live with the consequences.

MrUmpire Mon Jun 30, 2008 03:10pm

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Originally Posted by Grail
I'm not saying that at all. The same situation could have occurred with anyone on the game.

What I'm saying is, why not mix in the so-called "lesser umps" with the "more experienced" umps. It's makes sense as a means of mentoring the up and comers.

If you were scheduling 2 varsity HS games with 2-man crews, would it make sense to put 2 up and coming umps on the same game, and 2 veterans on the other game? It might work out that way, but it makes more sense to pair 1 vet with 1 new guy, and the other vet with the other new guy.

Baseball had 15 games yesterday. Surely they could spread out the "minor" umps throughout baseball, instead of putting them together.

Would the outcome have been different? Probably not. Should Lou have been tossed? Absolutely. Should it come from the guy behind his back, that he isn't talking to? I've seen some say yes, but personally, I want to take care of my own business, and if I don't choose to lower the boom, I should live with the consequences.

You don't seem to understand the "fill-in" situation. Some of these Minor Leaguers you refer to as "lesser umpires" have been working MLB games for ten years or longer. Guccione, a "lesser umpire" to you, worked the most plate games of ANY umpire in MLB last season.

Only by the stubborness and cheapness of MLB management are they still fill-ins and not full time contracted MLB umpires.

goyanksgonj Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:15am

Injuries, vacations, etc. happen. That's the bottom line.

Without the benefit of full-time employment by MLB, these MiLB guys just do whatever the heck they have to, in order to try and get to the aforementioned level.

The whole '99 situation certainly screwed some of these guys over, no doubt about it. I can only suppose several spots would've opened up from guys that were let go (and not subsequently re-hired) from that nasty situation.

MrUmpire Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:44am

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Originally Posted by goyanksgonj
Injuries, vacations, etc. happen. That's the bottom line.

Without the benefit of full-time employment by MLB, these MiLB guys just do whatever the heck they have to, in order to try and get to the aforementioned level.

The whole '99 situation certainly screwed some of these guys over, no doubt about it. I can only suppose several spots would've opened up from guys that were let go (and not subsequently re-hired) from that nasty situation.

MLB loves to have Guccione work 160 games a year, year after year. He's still a fill in and continues to receive entry level pay instead of building seniority and getting the accompanying pay increases.

bob jenkins Tue Jul 01, 2008 07:43am

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Originally Posted by Grail
I'm not saying that at all. The same situation could have occurred with anyone on the game.

What I'm saying is, why not mix in the so-called "lesser umps" with the "more experienced" umps. It's makes sense as a means of mentoring the up and comers.

If you were scheduling 2 varsity HS games with 2-man crews, would it make sense to put 2 up and coming umps on the same game, and 2 veterans on the other game? It might work out that way, but it makes more sense to pair 1 vet with 1 new guy, and the other vet with the other new guy.

Baseball had 15 games yesterday. Surely they could spread out the "minor" umps throughout baseball, instead of putting them together.

Someone who follows this more closely than I will have to check for specifics, but it's possible that nearly every other crew also had a "replacement" umpire already on it, given vacations and injuries. Also, MLB doesn't like to split apart the "regular" crews once they are set, and travel, the length of the replacement assignment and the time between the "notice" and the next game all come into play.

ericgreggsghost Wed Jul 02, 2008 05:12pm

nobody should be down on drake it was fairchild who blew this one ... fairchild has been in the bigs all season and should have known better ... since when does a manager come running out of the dugout to argue a check swing call and NOT get tossed? drake had to clean up his mess and he looks badly for it.


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