mbyron Wrong. The ball cannot be made live unless F1 has it and is on the rubber. If PU calls "Play!" by mistake, it is still not "really" live. Call time and fix it.
bob jenkins mbyron wroteWrong. The ball cannot be made live unless F1 has it and is on the rubber. If PU calls "Play!" by mistake, it is still not "really" live. Call time and fix it. Agreed.
Tim C PapaBlue is incorrect. The ball cannot be made "live" without the pitcher having the ball and being in legal contact with the pitcher's plate. Same under interpretations by NFHS, NCAA and OBR.
UMP25 bob jenkins wroteAgreed. Double agree. Just like Tim, with whom I agree and who agrees with me who agrees with Bob J. Agreed?
UMP25 Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. wroteNFHS R6-S2-A5: It is also a balk if a runner or runners are on base and the pitcher, while he is not touching the pitcher’s plate, makes any movement naturally associated with his pitch, or he places his feet on or astride the pitcher’s plate, or positions himself within approximately five feet of the pitcher’s plate without having the ball. OK, this has got to be one of the best examples of FED's rule silliness. "Approximately" 5 feet??? Now how the hell am I gonna determine that? Do I haul out a yardstick--oops, that's 2 feet short--or measuring tape? Can they make it any LESS definitive? 🙄
umpjong UMP25 wroteOK, this has got to be one of the best examples of FED's rule silliness. "Approximately" 5 feet??? Now how the hell am I gonna determine that? Do I haul out a yardstick--oops, that's 2 feet short--or measuring tape? Can they make it any LESS definitive? :rolleyes: This is worded this way because of fields with dirt infields.
CO ump UMP25 wroteOK, this has got to be one of the best examples of FED's rule silliness. "Approximately" 5 feet??? Now how the hell am I gonna determine that? Do I haul out a yardstick--oops, that's 2 feet short--or measuring tape? Can they make it any LESS definitive? :rolleyes: "Approximately" is good. If they only said 5 feet then you'd need the tape. Approximately means you use your judgement and you have lots of leeway.
PeteBooth Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. wrote After the defensive conference was over F1 took a position on the mound behind the pitcher's plate (PP) but did not engage the PP. F6 and F4 were jumping around second base but R1 remained in contact with second base. By the look on F1 face, I could tell that he did not want to engage the PP. Since F1 was not in contact with the PP I could not make the ball live. Since there was TIME and F1 needs the ball on the pitcher's plate to make it live again IMO get the game moving and say something along the lines of "Pitch get the ball and let's play" In other words do not simply allow the defense to try something that can't be done and waste time. Pete Booth
UMP25 umpjong wroteThis is worded this way because of fields with dirt infields. How about saying simply the "mound," which would refer to the hill. It's a lot easier to determine if a pitcher's standing on the hill than if he's "approximately" 5 feet away from the rubber.
JJ UMP25 wroteHow about saying simply the "mound," which would refer to the hill. It's a lot easier to determine if a pitcher's standing on the hill than if he's "approximately" 5 feet away from the rubber. They didn't say "mound" because some fields not only don't have grass on the infield, they don't have a mound, either. We umpire on all types of fields. JJ
TussAgee11 UMP25 wroteOK, this has got to be one of the best examples of FED's rule silliness. "Approximately" 5 feet??? Now how the hell am I gonna determine that? Do I haul out a yardstick--oops, that's 2 feet short--or measuring tape? Can they make it any LESS definitive? :rolleyes: Well, how high is high on the IFF rule. How imminent is imminent on INT at the plate? At least they are giving us a number... what if they just said "near the pitcher's plate". That would be even more confusing.
UMP25 JJ wroteThey didn't say "mound" because some fields not only don't have grass on the infield, they don't have a mound, either. We umpire on all types of fields. JJ Yeah, I know. But hardly any fields have an "18-foot circle," either. 😉
UMP25 TussAgee11 wroteWell, how high is high on the IFF rule. How imminent is imminent on INT at the plate? At least they are giving us a number... what if they just said "near the pitcher's plate". That would be even more confusing. "Approximately 5 feet" is quite different from "high" in the Infield Fly Rule scenario.
aceholleran Had a beef on a successful HBT (for defense!) in LL this year. LL uses MLB rules, and F1 was not anywhere near the slab, much less toeing or straddling it. Ole Uncle Acey made sure of this as R1 wandered off 1B and F3 tigged 'im. Ace in CT
bluezebra "Are you crying? There is no crying in baseball." Anyone who believes that, never saw the picture of Enos Slaughter in the St. Louis Cardinals clubhouse when he was told he had been traded to the New York Yankees. Bob