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dino14 Fri Feb 29, 2008 08:33pm
"Three words to live by. Pause, read, react"

Great Advice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DG Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:00pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by fitump56
If you are in the working area, there are many fly balls that will be routine catches where you can position yourself to see 1B, 2B and the timing on the catch.
Who told you that in a 2 man system you had responsibility for a catch in the V, a tag at 2B, and a tag at 1B? Where you gonna stand to see a catch in LC, a tag at 2B and a tag at 1B?

fitump56 Tue Mar 04, 2008 02:20am
If you are in the working area, there are many fly balls that will be routine catches where you can position yourself to see 1B, 2B and the timing on the catch.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DG
Who told you that in a 2 man system you had responsibility for a catch in the V, a tag at 2B, and a tag at 1B? Where you gonna stand to see a catch in LC, a tag at 2B and a tag at 1B?
No one told me but no one told me thatpissing in the wind isnt a smart thing to do. I was answering to the poster who said it was impossible to see all three but of course you didn't include that in your rabid Mupppet styled criticism, did you?

Here's a clue, lookup "peripheral vision".

Four-Oh Wed Mar 05, 2008 01:14pm
Strangely enough...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DG
Who told you that in a 2 man system you had responsibility for a catch in the V, a tag at 2B, and a tag at 1B? Where you gonna stand to see a catch in LC, a tag at 2B and a tag at 1B?
That's exactly what the manual I'm working with says.

http://www.baseball.ca/files/manual2.pdf
Situation 2M-27.

I don't have any other manuals at hand to go by... how do you cover this?

Andrew

canadaump6 Wed Mar 05, 2008 01:32pm
To clear things up
 
Based on PBUC mechanics:

-On a trouble flyball, base umpire goes to the edge of the infield grass in the direction the ball was hit.
-On a routine flyball, base umpire goes into the working area a bit behind the mound. No need to make a catch signal on routine catches.

dash_riprock Wed Mar 05, 2008 08:13pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_Hickman
In the 2 man system, the base umpire is always responsible for all runners tagging up ( except R3 ). Now, the umpire actually seeing the tag up is another story. As umpires, we have to prioritize what we do. Fair/foul..catch/ no catch is out top priority.... runners tagging, IMO, is a distant 3rd. You just have to do the best you can, but don't take your eye off that ball until the fielder demonstates firm and secure possession and volentary release. Then check for tag ups....If you have any doubt whether the runner tagged up...he tagged up!
Base ump has no fair/foul with any runners on.

fitump56 Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:53pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaump6
Based on PBUC mechanics:

-On a trouble flyball, base umpire goes to the edge of the infield grass in the direction the ball was hit.
-On a routine flyball, base umpire goes into the working area a bit behind the mound. No need to make a catch signal on routine catches.
Generally, this is the mechaninc the problem is that too many umpires (American):

1) have no clue to this mechanic
2) Work on small ballfields where the mechanic is straight out silly
3) Can't tell a borerline troubled ball from a routine ball (highly dependent level of play)
4) Too lazy to move

Ad up all of the above, you have the majority of American umpires which are wll crossectioned on this Forum. :D

fitump56 Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:00pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_Hickman
In the 2 man system, the base umpire is always responsible for all runners tagging up ( except R3 ). Now, the umpire actually seeing the tag up is another story. As umpires, we have to prioritize what we do. Fair/foul..catch/ no catch is out top priority.... runners tagging, IMO, is a distant 3rd. You just have to do the best you can, but don't take your eye off that ball until the fielder demonstates firm and secure possession and volentary release. Then check for tag ups....If you have any doubt whether the runner tagged up...he tagged up!
Agree with most but if you have a trouble fly ball to center field side with F9, for one of any instances, the BU has tag and catch? We don't play it like that. BU will call off PU, roll out and PU has tag and advance. YMMV

mbyron Sat Mar 08, 2008 09:35am
The title of this thread is "First game tomorrow." We got a foot of snow last night, and more due today. I'm glad we're getting THAT out of our system -- maybe we'll be able to avoid last year's April snow week.

Interested Ump Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:54am
Quote:
Originally Posted by dash_riprock
Base ump has no fair/foul with any runners on.
Whoa there.

I work with a young snort, excellent umpire, runs like a scirocco. He will call me PU off a LF foul ball (trouble) from the C with R3 in a scirocco beat. :o

fitump56 Sun Mar 09, 2008 01:24pm
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Originally Posted by Interested Ump
Whoa there.

I work with a young snort, excellent umpire, runs like a scirocco. He will call me PU off a LF foul ball (trouble) from the C with R3 in a scirocco beat. :o
Get off the sciroco thing, the car sucked. I know who you are talking about Danny did this to me without warning, it's a smart move he learned it at Wendlestedt? I think.


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