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dash_riprock Wed Feb 20, 2008 01:09am

An attempt to draw attention from the "85% missed this one" thread
 
FED rules.

R1 (yes, he is on 1st). F1 initiates a legal jump-turn and throws to F3 in an attempt to pick-off R1, who dives back to the base. The ball enters F3's shirt and becomes lodged.

Place the runner.

MadCityRef Wed Feb 20, 2008 01:19am

R1 becomes R2.

soundedlikeastrike Wed Feb 20, 2008 01:30am

R1 to 2B.

soundedlikeastrike Wed Feb 20, 2008 01:32am

And if the ball enters R1's shirt? Place the runner.

dash_riprock Wed Feb 20, 2008 01:36am

That would make sense, but the rule (8.3.3.d) only addresses a pitch or throw from the rubber that becomes lodged in the CATCHER'S equipment. However, the case book (which I consulted immediately after clicking the "Submit" button) makes it clear that it is a one-base award.

In the words of Emily Litella, "Never mind."

dash_riprock Wed Feb 20, 2008 01:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by soundedlikeastrike
And if the ball enters R1's shirt? Place the runner.

He stays at 1st.

RPatrino Wed Feb 20, 2008 02:02am

What if the ball entered the shirt of the GLM in the first row of the bleachers?

briancurtin Wed Feb 20, 2008 02:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPatrino
What if the ball entered the shirt of the GLM in the first row of the bleachers?

dead ball, and the ball must be manually removed by UIC
runners may have to do a 'turn and adjust'

CajunNewBlue Wed Feb 20, 2008 08:41am

ummmm... whats a GLM? and do I want one?

fitump56 Wed Feb 20, 2008 08:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue
ummmm... whats a GLM? and do I want one?

Good Lookin Mom and it depends on your sexual preferences ;)

johnnyg08 Wed Feb 20, 2008 03:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitump56
Good Lookin Mom and it depends on your sexual preferences ;)

not that there's anything wrong with that.

mbyron Thu Feb 21, 2008 08:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by briancurtin
dead ball, and the ball must be manually removed by UIC
runners may have to do a 'turn and adjust'

Spot on so far, but you forgot to place the runners. :D

lawump Thu Feb 21, 2008 09:05am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron
Spot on so far, but you forgot to place the runners. :D

I don't know about the runners, but it appears the UIC will be getting at least second base.

mbyron Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:24am

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawump
I don't know about the runners, but it appears the UIC will be getting at least second base.

Heh heh heh.

http://images.jupiterimages.com/comm...6/22180625.jpg

greymule Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:30am

GLM is the abbreviation for the G-rated term.

njdevs00cup Thu Feb 21, 2008 09:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by soundedlikeastrike
And if the ball enters R1's shirt? Place the runner.

In the dugout! He's out! At least that's what we were told in our association meeting last year! Let me know if anyone else knows otherwise!

mbyron Fri Feb 22, 2008 08:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by njdevs00cup
In the dugout! He's out! At least that's what we were told in our association meeting last year! Let me know if anyone else knows otherwise!

A THROWN ball enters the runner's shirt, and you're calling him out? Wow. Or maybe you're thinking it's a batted ball? I really hope so... or else, get a rule book, cup.

njdevs00cup Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron
A THROWN ball enters the runner's shirt, and you're calling him out? Wow. Or maybe you're thinking it's a batted ball? I really hope so... or else, get a rule book, cup.

I kid you not! This question came up last year. No one had ever seen the play and the head of our association said it! No rule quoted, but he said he was out!

UmpJM Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:32pm

njdevs00cup,

The head of your association needs to get his hands on something called a "Rules Book" - and look at 8-3-3f. (FED)

For OBR-based games, I would suggest you share the following with him:

Quote:

8-21-03 @ WUA Site — When a live ball enters a player's uniform or the catcher's gear, the ball is to be ruled dead and no subsequent outs can be obtained by the defense. The umpire is then directed to employ common sense and fairness and place the runners such that the act of the ball
becoming dead is nullified. The umpire may not, however, enforce any outs that he thinks may have occurred had the ball remained live. Outs occurring before the ball went out of play stand.
JM

njdevs00cup Fri Feb 22, 2008 07:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)
njdevs00cup,

The head of your association needs to get his hands on something called a "Rules Book" - and look at 8-3-3f. (FED)

For OBR-based games, I would suggest you share the following with him:



JM

Thank you for clarifying this! The head of our association is a very knowledgable umpire, so I may have missed a detail in their somewhere. Glad the situation didn't happen this year, I would have looked like an a**!

Forest Ump Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:13pm

One thing about the rule book, it will list every way a batter or runner can be put out. If the out you are thinking about isn't listed in there, it's not an out.

fitump56 Sat Feb 23, 2008 03:11am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forest Ump
One thing about the rule book, it will list every way a batter or runner can be put out. If the out you are thinking about isn't listed in there, it's not an out.

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