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Plus, if he is convicted on state charges for his crimes next April, he could receive a maximum sentence of 10 years, and would not get out of jail until he is 39 years old. Wouldn't that be special.
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And to take it back to what this was all about, I do not put every act on the same plane with other acts. I personally do not care about whether someone took a substance that was not illegal to take in a sport and I do not care about dog fighting on the scale I do as other crimes that take place on a larger scale. If you beat your wife and children or get a DUI you might not spend anytime in jail. And do not kill someone like Leonard Little and you might not see 6 months in jail. Then again, you have better values. Peace |
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McCarthy named people who he said were communists without any verifiable proof. |
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I am only restating what has been widely reported. Mike Vick showed no remorse for his actions. This is a matter of record, not something I made up. |
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Go outside my state? WTF does my living in California have to do with anything? Do you think we live in a damn bubble here or something. I've lived all over the U.S. at one time or other, including your state. Besides, we have dog fighting and c*ck fighting here in sunny California as well. They are not regional activities, but are practiced by a few morally depraved individuals in every state. And I live about 20 miles from Mexico, and I know you know that they have those things there as well. Quote:
It also just dawned on me: You were "dog sitting," and the one thing you were responsible for ran away? Remind me not to ever let you babysit my nieces and nephews!;) Quote:
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For the longest time he maintained total innocence and even up until his "apology" he showed no remorse and acted like it was no big deal. I know I can't legislate morality, but to not be outraged with dog fighting, or the killing of said dogs, speaks volumes about your values. I know that it is none of my business what you think or feel, but I do wonder what Jesus would think about your lack of disgust. Hmmmm. |
Hey, how 'bout that Mitchell Report, huh? Man what a gas!
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And if I recall Jesus did not talk about dog fighting as a sin or address specifically the many ways we treat animals as it relates to hunting, cock fighting, dog fighting, horse racing or any number of activities that involve animals. I do not expect you to deal with the hypocrisy that I pointed out. Dog fighting is bad, hunting is OK. That makes sense. Peace |
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My favorite Gonzaga story: Back sometime around 1985 or 86, the every graduate of the Gonzaga Law School who took the Bar Exam flunked the ethics portion. Somehow, it seemed appropriate for "would-be" attorneys to fail to grasp ethics. |
Ethics courses are a joke. The definition of right and wrong varies from society to society and time period to time period.
As a side note, I'm going for my G2 today. I won't have to bike to games anymore. |
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To say that I don't understand other people's values is a ridiculous statement. I just don't agree with yours. I don't really give a rat's a$$ about you or your values, but I do understand other people's values. Again, there's a difference between understanding and not giving a sh*t. I have always owned dogs, and currently have two. Since I have been married (16+ years this time), I have had 5 including the two current dogs. I have an 11 year old Husky/St. Bernard mix who unfortunately has had a skin condition since she was about a year old. I love her more than life itself. I have a black Golden Retriever who is 8 years old. She is my baby. I love my dogs like they were actual children (I also have a 29 year old daughter). They are our children. I don't put my dogs outside. I would sooner put a child outside. My dogs are much better behaved than most children. My dogs go outside to go to the park, the beach, or to the bathroom. The rest of the time they are inside where they belong, as part of the family. My dogs are not accessories, and this ain't Beverly Hills. I live in a fairly rural area, complete with pickup trucks, gun racks, and Hell's Angels. I'm sure that there is dog fighting within 5 miles of my house. I can't believe you think the way you do. Dogs as accessories, puleeeeze. |
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Also since you mentioned you had a Pit Bull, that breed was considered to be banned in Cook County after several attacks by those dogs on children and adults which resulted in death. The remedy for the outlawing of these dogs was killing them if people did not find a place for them. So it was OK to kill an entire breed because they would have been illegal, but Dog fighting is so inhumane? Then again that would probably be OK with you. I see killing as killing, I do not care how you do it. If one is OK, the other should be OK. Quote:
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You can place me in with the 20% group. As for my political beliefs, the media has slanted their views to favor figureheads such as Reagan, and both of the Bush presidents. Clinton and Gore bashing follow as they tend to take anything they can and try to build it into a travesty. This is the norm because these outlets generally play to a certain audience. They might even benefit profit wise with the changing of laws proposed by the politicians they supported. Rush Limbaugh is what's wrong with reporting in America today. He is just plain bias. He's a real sports fan alright. I'm sure everyone still remembers his short stint on the ESPN Sunday morning pregame football show. You know, the one where he called out the media for being too soft on black quarterbacks and they were getting a free pass on criticism for their game performance because they were black. Just your typical right wing conservative Christian wave the flag moron. |
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The point of an ethics course isn't to force feed the pupils one school of thought. This has been one of the most entertaining threads I've read in a long time. I think it even relates to baseball somewhere. |
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Put that in your pipe and smoke it. http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...s/thumbsup.gif Peace |
Yet another example of a coddled individual allowed to skate by on all sorts of behavior due to athletic prowess finally stepping over the line. Vick committed a crime, admitted to it, and is now serving his sentence. Why anyone would make excuses for him or expect he should be let off, yet again, is completely beyond me. But that's one of the things that makes this country great. Anyone can say any completely stupid thing they want and think it makes sense.
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Regarding the Mitchell report. Why does it seem everyone keeps trying to place these actions under the criminal system of beyond a reasonable doubt? This is nothing more than an employee/employer situation (admittedly magnified because of the public nature of the business). Any actions taken by one or the other that is not criminal will be settled in the civil court. And there, it is the proof of what is most likely, not what is beyond a reasonable doubt.
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I keep bring it back to officiating. Would it be fair if you worked a conferences and someone took a conversation you had years ago and assumed that you helped throw a game all based on a conversation? Then as a result you are known as a cheater by everyone because your name was put in a report with people they actually proved or admitted to throwing games? I put this on the same plane as NBA Officials being mentioned in a report about throwing games with Tim Donaghy based only on information that they had a conversation with Donaghy or were accused by Donaghy without any cooperation and then the accused official also loses their job or their reputation. Would that be fair? Peace |
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Then again, people actually read what people say here? :rolleyes: Peace |
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Also the report implicated people who wrote checks to clubhouse attendance which is a common practice in MLB because player paid them to run all kinds of errands for the players. For example they might have them run to the store or have their car fixed or do any number of things because the players are usually busy at the ball park. I am sure many of these guys are guilty, but MLB was having rumblings over steroids just like football did back in the 80s when Canseco and McGuire were on the A's and I did not see the ground swell back then for drug testing. The NFL started drug testing soon after Lyle Alzado (sp??) was going around claiming he was dying because of long time steroid use. And I am sure there were many more than 1% of players using as well. Peace |
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1985 to 2005, MLB did nothing about steroids. The leading cause of death for black teenagers wasn't steroids. I predict it will continue for at least another 5 years until folks in the NFL, NBA, and MLB finally bring attention to the minority genocide taking place. Will see if the recent death of a football star will have any impact. RIP #21. |
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I really hope that you are not thinking I actually give a damn that you had respect for me in the first place. Sorry, just keeping it real. Peace |
Michael Vick will never play a down again in the NFL.
By the time he is released 1350 new NFL players will have been drafted with credentials equal or better than his. Moreover, 10-20 quarterbacks for Atlanta will have gotten more reps than he has in cleaning toilets in cell bock 13. And the CFl is not an option since convicted felons cannot travel across international borders. |
SAump's recent post prompted me to supply this link to U.S. Department of Justice statistics on "Criminal Victimization in the United States," broken down by a wide number of categories, including race. The web page has links to files containing statistics from 1996 to 2005, and many of the figures are truly astounding. In reading some of the charts, I have had to pause in disbelief and look at the figures several times to be sure I'm reading them properly.
The statistical tables report only on crimes that had human victims. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cvusst.htm |
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Whether Rutledge wants to admit it or not, he is in the minority on this one. Most people are very outraged about it, and feel Vick got off easy. Just read any blog or forum about the case, and you will see the vast majority of folks feel that Vick showed no remorse and is not in the least sorry for his actions. Sorry he got caught is what he is. He called his crimes "immature." Yeah, like most 14 year olds are running dog fighting rings. He still has not said that what he did was sick, repulsive and disgusting, which tells me that he's not really sorry.
Rutledge, I grew up in a very rural setting. My dog had the run of 2/3 acre plus a huge field (5 or 6 acres) next to our house. Nobody I know of abused their animals. And I've never met anyone who puts their dog in a purse as a fashion accessory. You are confusing celebrities with the real people again. You watch too much TV. |
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I am anti-abortion. It's your side of the aisle that promotes that barbaric form of birth-control for women who go get knocked up but fail to think of the circumstances that follow. Torture, genocide? What torture are you talking about? If you mean the terrorists at Gitmo, I'm all for it. Otherwise, I'm against it. I am pro-Sudan and I hate any kind of genocide. Am I in now? |
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Rush’s comment on ESPN was nothing that I haven’t stated for years. He just did it in public and it upset a lot of people. The problem with the statement is that it is true! Not only in sports but in other avenues and it is a sensitive subject so I will not go into that any more. Lastly, Steve, your concept of the right wing is a little skewed. Not all are Christian, very few are morons. I do not consider a simple Republican as a right wing individual. Only true conservatives are on the right. The rest are “middle of the road”, fools that have no values or true beliefs. But as far as being a flag waver, what’s wrong with standing up for our country and waving the flag? It seems that when Liberals want to insult Conservatives, they always mention something about waving the flag. I personally love the Flag of the United States and display it twenty four hours a day at my home. That Flag means a lot to me because it allowed my ancestors to come to this country and finally be at peace! You know not what repression, death and enslavement is unless you talk to someone that lived through WWII in Nazi Germany! The horror that my family went through should never, ever happen again as long as the United States is around to halt it! What many people out there (yourself included) don’t realize is when a bullet is heading your way from the enemy’s rifle, it never asks if the receiver is a Liberal or Conservative now does it? Sorry for the monolog, this is not the place for this discussion so I will end it here. My apologies to all. Merry Christmas! |
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Borrowed from an Atlanta Braves fansite:
First, you put your innocent plea in. Now you've taken your innocent plea out. You hadn't told the truth. In fact, you shook it all about. You'll be a Hokie in the Pokey 'til you turn yourself around. That's what it's all about. Remember when you put your middle finger in; Then you stuck your middle finger out? Flipped off the Falcon fans 'Cuz you couldn't take their shouts. You'll be a Hokie in the Pokey 'til you turn yourself around. That's what it's all about. When you put your baggage in You left your "water" bottle out. Something seemed suspicious So the authorities called you out. You'll be a Hokie in the Pokey 'til you turn yourself around. That's what it's all about. She said you put your bad self in, And spread herpes all about. Called yourself "Ron Mexico" To provide some "reasonable doubt". You'll be a Hokie in the Pokey 'til you turn yourself around. That's what it's all about. Your little brother was in. Then lil' bro was out. Then lil' bro was back in. Til even the Hokies threw him out. You'll be a Hokie in the Pokey 'til you turn yourself around. That's what it's all about. You let the dogs in But wouldn't let the dogs out. You made them fight each other 'Til one of them passed out. You'll be a Hokie in the Pokey 'til you turn yourself around. That's what it's all about. Nike put its money in. Now Nike's takin' its money out. Don't like your electrocuting pups Or shaking them all about. You'll be a Hokie in the Pokey 'til you turn yourself around. That's what it's all about. Your friends took your money in. They passed your money out. They said they had your back. Until you lost your clout. You'll be a Hokie in the Pokey 'til you turn yourself around. That's what it's all about. You took millions of dollars in. You gave thousands of dollars out. You're still Tech's poster child Though you never graduated out. You'll be a Hokie in the Pokey 'til you turn yourself around. That's what it's all about. The NFL, you were in. But the NFL may kick you out. You threw it all away. And, for what, I can't figure out. You'll be a Hokie in the Pokey 'til you turn yourself around. That's what it's all about. You had it ALL in; But it's nearly ALL out. You had the golden life And you pissed all of it out. You'll be a Hokie in the Pokey 'til you turn yourself around. That's what it's all about. Do the Hokie in the Pokey. Do the Hokie in the Pokey. Do the Hokie in the Pokey. And THAT'S what it's all about. |
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Steven......Don't confuse reporting with commentary. Rush does commentary. O'rielly does commentary and so does Hannity. Like it or not, you do not have to listen to it. Just as I have a choice not to listen to Air America, MSNBC, Gil Gross, and NPR. |
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Conservative Christian, right wing Republican, straight, white, American male. Gay bashin’, black fearin’, poor fightin’, tree killin’, regional leaders of the South Frat housin’, keg tappin’, shirt tuckin’, back slappin’ haters of hippies like me. Tree huggin’, peace lovin’, pot smokin’, porn watchin’ lazyass hippies like me. Tree huggin’, love makin’, pro choicen, gay weddin’, widespread diggin’ hippies like me. Skin color-blinded, conspiracy-minded, protesters of corporate greed, We who have nothing and most likely will ‘till we all wind up locked up in jails By conservative Christian, right wing Republican, straight, white, American males,. Diamonds and dogs, boys and girls, living together in two separate worlds Following leaders of mountains of shame, looking for someone to blame. Diamonds and dogs, boys and girls, living together in two separate worlds Following leaders of mountains of shame, looking for someone to blame. I know who I like to blame: Conservative Christian, right wing Republican, straight, white, American males, Soul savin’, flag wavin’, Rush lovin’, land pavin’ personal friends to the Quayles Quite diligently workin’ so hard to keep the free reins of this Democracy From tree huggin’, peace lovin’, pot smokin’, barefootin’ folk-singin’ hippies like me. Tree huggin’, peace lovin’, pot smokin’, porn watchin’ lazyass hippies like me. |
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The first one that did would be in jail, just to show the world that MLB is getting serious about steroid use. |
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We live in a representative republic. We do not live in a democracy. Look it up. Our government has never been a democracy. Where people ever got that idea remains a mystery. |
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But back to the topic at hand. Joe McCarthy was a fine manager in the Major Leagues. He won seven World Series and was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1957. I don't know why every one was giving him such grief about the Mitchell Report. |
What number did the Dallas-Ft. Worth metroplex rate in this survey?
Okay, I found out the real story. Dallas-Ft. Worth came in at #27 (with #1 being the drunkest). San Diego was not in the top 35. Seattle is only #13 on the list, not 11. Here are a few highlights: <ol>1. Milwaukee 12. San Antonio 18. Houston 23. Los Angeles 32. New York 33. Miami</ol> |
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Take a refresher course by reading On Democracy in America by Alexis de Tocqueville |
Uh, no it's not. This is just one of many articles on the subject. This is just a small part of one:
From David N. Mayer A Republic, Not a Democracy 218 years ago, on May 25, 1787, the framers of the Constitution of the United States began meeting at the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia. The debates were secret – a deliberate decision of the delegates, designed to keep them free from outside pressures. When the long, hot Philadelphia summer came to an end in mid-September, as the delegates were wrapping up their work and about to reveal to the public their proposed Constitution, it was said that someone asked the oldest delegate, Benjamin Franklin, what kind of government the nation would have. Franklin’s response has become famous, an important part of U.S. historical lore: “A republic, if you can keep it.” Franklin’s comment came to my mind last month, when I read about President Bush’s trip to eastern Europe. Bush spoke glowingly of the progress of “democracy” in many of the nations formerly under Soviet Russian tyranny. Yet, like other American presidents in the modern era – and indeed, like most commentators on political or cultural matters – he erroneously described the American system of government as a “democracy,” or the United States as a nation based on “democratic” principles. It’s a common error, but one that shows how far out of touch most modern Americans are with the principles of their nation’s founding. The United States of America is not a democracy. Let me emphasize that – THE UNITED STATES IS NOT A DEMOCRACY – and add, “Thank God!” America’s Founders understood well the evils of democracy and deliberated created a system of government that was not democratic but rather republican. The form of government in the United States (both the national government and the government of each of the 50 states) is not a democracy but a republic. Indeed, it is most accurately described as a “limited-government constitutional republic.” The difference is not merely semantic. The word “republic” comes from the Latin phrase res publica, which means, literally, “the public thing(s).” It generally refers to a representative form of government, one in which the people’s representatives (chosen either directly or indirectly by them) govern but not the people themselves. (Such was the form of government, in theory at least, of the ancient Roman republic.) “Democracy,” on the other hand, is derived from the Greek words demos and kratein, which when combined mean, loosely, “the people rule.” Democracy thus is synonymous with direct rule by the people, or more accurately, by a majority of the people. James Madison explained the difference between a democracy and a republic in two of the essays he wrote for The Federalist Papers. In No. 14, he distinguished the two this way: “In a democracy, the people meet and exercise the government in person; in a republic, they assemble and administer it by their representatives and agents,” he wrote. “A democracy, consequently, will be confined to a small spot. A republic may be extended over a large region.” In No. 39, while seeking to determine “the distinctive characters of the republican form,” Madison wrote that the term has been misapplied by many political writers. |
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de·moc·ra·cy [di-mok-ruh-see] –noun, plural -cies. 1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system. 2. a state having such a form of government: The United States and Canada are democracies. 3. a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges. 4. political or social equality; democratic spirit. 5. the common people of a community as distinguished from any privileged class; the common people with respect to their political power. You can go on splitting hairs if you want. But to deny the US is a democracy is rather silly. |
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While you may consider the misuse of a term by a 19th century racist French social engineer as gospel, I prefer to quote the U.S. Constitution: Article IV Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence. |
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Here is more for you to ponder: America is a republic - not a democracy! Not only did our Founding Fathers establish a republic, they greatly feared democracy. James Madison, known as the father of the U.S. Constitution, wrote in "Essay #10" of The Federalist Papers: "... democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths." Although such an attitude will surprise most Americans, it is accurate. The United States Constitution does not contain the word democracy. It does "guarantee to every State in this Union a republican form of government...." Also, when we recite the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag, we say, "to the Republic for which it stands," and not "to the Democracy." The difference between a republic and a democracy was once widely understood in America. The U.S. War Department (superseded by the Department of Defense) taught that difference in a training manual (No. 2000-25) published on November 30, 1928. This official U.S. government document, used at the time for the training of American military personnel, said of democracy: A government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of 'direct' expression. Results in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is communistic - negating property rights. Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Results in demogogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy." It went on to state: "Our Constitutional fathers, familiar with the strength and weakness of both autocracy and democracy, with fixed principles definitely in mind, defined a representative republican form of government. They 'made a very marked distinction between a republic and a democracy and said repeatedly and emphatically that they had founded a republic.' " Don't be deceived. America is a republic - not a democracy! I think this pretty much clearly shows a huge difference between the two terms. |
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