Starting pitcher reentering the game to pitch??
 

Can The starting pitcher reenter the game to pitch? would this be allowed at any level of play?

I was doing this game about a week ago and Lucky I had the bases because I didnt know the rule. It was a tournament and the kids were about 14 or so. Any way this kid starts the game and then he later comes back in to pitch. I had no clue but the other coach got upset. Well luckily it was a tournament and there was a TD he said it was ok.

He came onto the field and made the call for us! what do you think about that? should we let that happen? Luckely I did not have the plate because I wouldn't know what to do!

I guess I would encourage you to buy a rule book for every level you work.

In kiddie ball, F1 will sometimes swap with F6 (usually the 2 kids with the best arms), and in many leagues they can switch back.

Under FED, the pitcher has re-entry privileges (with restrictions).

So in High school he can stop pitching and then comeback into pitch later in the same game???? It was the same game not a double header. and can you do that in college and in pro ball?

1. Yes.
2. No.

Agreed on answer 1.

Agreed on answer 2, if the player has left the game.

If the player leaves the mound but remains in the game, he can return to pitch (under some restrictions).

so if he comes out of the game then he can't come back in. How many times can they do this and does he get 8 warm up pitches? so could the have a lefty and a righty and pitch them in certain spots? just switch them out when ever?

I think this is a bad rule!! and needs to be taken out of the book

It's in the book. Use it.

Thank you for your input. I'm sure the MLB rules committee would love to hear from you.

They can do this in MLB? I thought it was only in FED and kids?

troll alert! feeding time is over!!!!

Yep. Time to move along, folks....nothing to see here.

In MLB, pitching is very specialised, so you don't see pitchers moving to another fielding position and then back again. But just because you don't see it doesn't mean that it isn't allowed.

So long as the former pitcher is still in the game (hasn't been subbed) and hasn't been ruled ineligible to pitch, there is no rule that says he can't return to pitch again. Therefore, he can.

I did not know that so you can keep switching? How many times an inning can this be done?

You're kidding, right? Where in CA do you officiate?

I live in Covina and no I did not know this could be done. I worked the MSBL WS this year I just got back.

Umm, that would be so long as the player is still in the game and has not been ruled ineligible to pitch. Which is what I said in my previous post.

From post 19:


From post 32:

I worked some games on Saturday for a local assigner at the Peoria some USA baseball travel league stuff.... sorry for the confusion

What Garth are you Jealous? You ever work that high level of ball? I worked the 30+ Championship game? I know not everyone can't get off for 3 weeks and go work baseball in the desert but I did! and I'm getting better!

What?????
 

:eek:
Somebody pull the plug on this guy. He doesn't know the rules for ANY level, doesn't have a rule book for ANY game he works, and he lies about when and where and how much he works. He's wasting intelligent umpire's time.

Anybody remember in 1986 when Davey Johnson swapping Roger McDowell and Jesse Orosco between pitching and left field in a game against the Reds?

Dave Winfield did it in college AND the pros. Happens a lot in college - the pitcher is frequently the best athlete and plays other positions when it's not his day to pitch, and then gets pressed into service to get that "big" out.

JJ

no I'm talking about the starting pitcher starting the game... the coach comes out and puts him on first base. puts the first baseman in center then brings the center fielder in to pitch to one batter. after he strikes this one batter out he brings back in the starting pitcher.

Would they lose the DH in college?

First time I've ever seen the words "high level of ball" associated with MSBL.

No, I'm not jealous of anyone who is too much of either a coward or liar to use his real identity on the internet.

aw come on man... you started it.... and go ahead a call me Coward-Jones

Look I'm looking for an answer College DH rule

Here is a good oppurtunity to get familiar with a small NCAA rule??????


Designated Hitter
SECTION 2. a. The designated hitter (DH) is a player designated to bat
for the starting pitcher and all subsequent pitchers. The DH may bat in
any position in the lineup, and this position cannot be changed. The DH
must be so designated before the game and included in the lineup cards
presented to the umpire-in-chief. In this case, the team actually is using
10 players, with the pitcher not listed in the batting order.

b. It is not mandatory that a player be designated to bat for the pitcher. If
the pitcher is listed in the starting batting order, the pitcher automatically
becomes the DH. In this case, the pitcher is to be considered as two
players, both pitcher and DH, and can be substituted for as such.
Note: For substitution purposes, the pitcher is not to be considered a defensive position.

c. The designated hitter is subject to the following conditions:
Pitcher or DH is moved to a defensive position (10-player lineup)
(1) If the DH is not the pitcher and the DH or the pitcher is moved to a
defensive position (this change must be made when the team is on
defense):
(a) The DH is terminated for the remainder of the game.
(b) The pitcher being placed at a defensive position must bat in
place of the defensive player removed, unless more than one
substitution is made. The coach must designate their positions in
the batting order at that time (see 5-5-e and 5-5-e A.R.).
(c) If only one substitution is made, the new pitcher must bat in the
previous spot of the DH.
A.R. 1—Multiple substitution, used for the purpose of changing the batting order, does not occur unless two new players (not including the pitcher going to a defensive position) are brought into the game.
A.R. 2—The DH is moved to a defensive position and the pitcher remains in the game as
the pitcher. If the DH is placed at a defensive position, the DH is terminated. The former
DH, who now is a defensive player, must continue to bat in the original DH spot. The
pitcher must bat in the lineup spot of the removed defensive player (see 5-5-d).
A.R. 3—When the designated hitter and the pitcher both enter on defense at the same time, the coach must designate the positions in the batting order of the new pitcher and the previous pitcher.

Game pitcher is not the DH (10-player lineup)
(2) If the game pitcher is not the DH and is replaced as the pitcher, the
replaced pitcher may:
(a) While on offense, 1) replace the DH and bat only in the DH spot.
If the pitcher becomes the DH, the pitcher may not reenter the
game in any other capacity, or 2) pinch hit or pinch run for the
DH only.
(b) While on defense, 1) be moved to a defensive position and
must bat in place of the defensive player removed. The DH is
terminated, or 2) be removed as a pitcher but remain in the game
and bat for the DH. This change must be announced at the time
the pitcher is removed. There is no loss of the DH but the player
may not reenter the contest in any other capacity.
DH is not the pitcher (10-player lineup)
(3) If the DH is not the pitcher and is replaced offensively, the original
DH may replace the pitcher at the time of substitution.
(a) The individual may not return as the DH or in any other
capacity.
(b) There is no loss of the DH.
(c) Once a player leaves the offensive lineup, that player cannot
return offensively.
A.R.—The DH may go in to pitch, then subsequently be relieved as the pitcher and still
remain the DH.
Replaced as a DH (nine-player lineup)
(4) When the P/DH, whether as the starting P/DH or a subsequent one,
is replaced as the DH, the individual may remain in the game as a
pitcher. However:
(a) The P/DH cannot subsequently move to a defensive position.
(b) The P/DH cannot return as the designated hitter.
P/DH replaced as a pitcher (nine-player lineup)
(5) When replaced as the pitcher, the P/DH may:
(a) Remain as the DH and bat only in the DH spot. If remaining a
DH, the individual or a subsequent DH cannot enter the game in
any other capacity (i.e., as the pitcher, defensive player or pinch
runner).
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(b) While on defense, be moved to a defensive position at the time,
but:
(1) The DH is terminated for the remainder of the game.
(2) The P/DH being placed at the defensive position must bat in the
original DH spot.
(3) The new pitcher must bat in the spot of the replaced defensive
player.
(4) If the P/DH goes to a defensive position, the individual may return
as a pitcher once since the P/DH originally was considered as two
different players. If the P/DH was removed as a pitcher on the second
trip of an inning or after the third free trip, the player cannot return
to pitch.
Defensive player becomes the pitcher (nine- or 10-player
lineup)
(6) If a defensive player becomes the pitcher:
(a) The DH is terminated for the remainder of the game.
(b) The DH may assume the defensive player’s position.
(c) Any substitute player who comes in for the defensive player must
bat in the DH spot.
Runner or batter substituted for the DH (nine- or 10-player
lineup)
(7) A runner or batter may be substituted for the DH and then become
the DH.
(a) A replaced DH may remain in the game only as a pitcher and the
change must be announced at the time of substitution.
(b) The DH may not run for any other player in the lineup at any
time.
Pinch hitter enters the game to pitch (nine- or 10-player
lineup)
(8) Once the pinch hitter bats for any player in the batting order and
then enters the game to pitch, the DH’s role is terminated for the
remainder of the game.
(9) A player who is removed from the game cannot re-enter in any
capacity.
Pitcher as a pinch hitter or pinch runner (10-player lineup)
(10) If the lineup change is made while the pitcher’s team is on offense,
the pitcher may pinch hit or pinch run only for the DH and be both.
The pitcher then may be replaced as the DH and remain as the
pitcher.
PENALTY—A violation of this rule requires that the pitcher be
disqualified from the game.
DH ejected from game (nine- or 10-player lineup)
(11) If ejected from the game, the DH may be replaced by another DH.
The DH position is not terminated by the ejection.
A.R.—If the DH also was the pitcher (P/DH), the DH may be replaced by two players—a
pitcher and a DH—or by one player, a P/DH.

Man, I knew his was coming...but geez I was really hoping it wouldn't. :D

Again, it's right in the rules book. Even if you don't have one handy, it's available on-line.

MLB-

Rule 3.03 Comment: A pitcher may change to another position only once during the same inning;
e.g. the pitcher will not be allowed to assume a position other than a pitcher more than once in the same
inning.
Any player other than a pitcher substituted for an injured player shall be allowed five warm-up
throws. (See Rule 8.03 for pitchers.)

:D Seek and you shall find. Knock and it shall be opened. Read the rule book and be enlightened. And thanks, jice, for clarifying the rule for oyaisee. ;)

JJ

Ahh, excellent! Thanks for pointing that out.

from anther sport, game-set-match to mr Garth! :cool:

They don't seem remember an umpire from Covina. I'll try Dick Jolly tomorrow. Which championship did you say you worked?

35+ Continental Championship

35+ Mountain Championship

35+ Central Championship

45+ National Championship

45+ Mountain Championship

45+ Central Championship

55+ National Championship

55+ American Championship

55+ Central Championship

Steve or Brian Sigler could care less so don't waste your breath.