A Two-fer

[GarthB]

I was just sitting around icing my knee and getting a little bored. So, (forgive me) I wandered over to YouTube and saw these two clips of missed ejections.

Besides the PU failing to toss the pitcher, what do you think of his partner's actions?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyRNXI7R6gA&NR=1

The second is just a gutless umpire. The interesting thing is that he seems to have an ABUA patch on his pullover. Judging from his performance, he got it for joining up and getting the insurance, not from attending a clinic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7N263od3mk&NR=1

[bobbybanaduck]

i'll call the second guy and see what the deal was. knowing what i know of this guy i can pretty much guarantee the coach had either already been dumped or was after the video cut out...

[SanDiegoSteve]

I watched both videos several times just to make sure I took in all the action.

Video #1: I can't believe the PU did not run the pitcher for leaving the mound, making a Capital A out of himself, pointing at the plate and addressing the umpire with total disrespect. The pitch did look pretty good, but that is totally irrelevant as we all miss one once in a while.

The partner was equally bashful. Why is he getting in the middle of the PU's business? "Ok, break it up boys!" What kind of BS is that? Getting the other players away from the confrontation was good, but he should have limited his actions to keeping extra personnel away from the action.

Overall it was horrible game management. I would have run the pitcher by the time he got halfway to the plate and then would have run any coach or manager who dared disagree with that decision.

Video #2: I disagree slightly with Bobby's assessment here. If he was already run, why did the umpire continue to allow a dialog. Once I run someone, they don't follow me around hollering at me, they leave. That is when the partner should step in and escort the ejected coach away from the other umpire. In the first video, the BU came in too soon and butted in where he wasn't asked. In #2 the BU should have herded an ejected coach away. This leads me to believe that the coach had not yet been dumped. JMO.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by GarthB

I was just sitting around icing my knee and getting a little bored. So, (forgive me) I wandered over to YouTube

Forgive you for what? Were watching something else than ball?

and saw these two clips of missed ejections.

Besides the PU failing to toss the pitcher, what do you think of his partner's actions?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyRNXI7R6gA&NR=1

PU watched R3 X th eplat, good. Then he should have calmly ejected F1. Thats' a given.

To follow F1, allowing the coach to become the hero by stepping in between (good job Coach), was a major boo-boo.

PU didn't miss the call, up and in, LHP to LHB, on a 3 ball count with loaded, sorry, ain't gonna get it.

A competent umpre would have taken a deeep breath, made sure R3 touches, all Rs reach their bases, and with little overt action, ejected F1. If Coach isn't out of the dugout, then with "T" in place, he would inform Coach his LHP is showering.

[SanDiegoSteve]

fit, what's an eplat and the "T?"

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by msavakinas

Yes pitcher is gone right away.

the BU in vid 1 did a good job at first of making sure argument was 1 on 1 I thought.

What I was hinting at was how he (BU) actually shoved the PU away from the coach and towards home.

He wouldn't be a partner of mine again.

[Interested Ump]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

fit, what's an eplat and the "T?"

Isn't that Greek for "an umpire who tosses a pitcher halfway to the plate while runners are advancing might have an ego issue that matches his poor choice of timing an ejection"?

[canadaump6]

Originally Posted by fitump56

Forgive you for what? Were watching something else than ball?




PU watched R3 X th eplat, good. Then he should have calmly ejected F1. Thats' a given.

To follow F1, allowing the coach to become the hero by stepping in between (good job Coach), was a major boo-boo.

PU didn't miss the call, up and in, LHP to LHB, on a 3 ball count with loaded, sorry, ain't gonna get it.

A competent umpre would have taken a deeep breath, made sure R3 touches, all Rs reach their bases, and with little overt action, ejected F1. If Coach isn't out of the dugout, then with "T" in place, he would inform Coach his LHP is showering.

In the first video, I'm warning the pitcher to get back on the mound, I mean I am yelling at him, and if he continues, he's gone. As for the second video, when that manager gets into my face in an attempt to belittle me, he's outta there.

[Forest Ump]

HTBT to hear what that pitcher may have said but for sure he's gone once he drew the line on the plate. He's most likely gone before he gets to me as I would have warned him to return back to his position once he came at me. Base guy should have never pushed the plate guy. Maybe plate guy was a young rookie and base guy was an old veteran.

[Andy]

I've got nothing to add to what's already been said regarding the first video.

As for the second one, I would like to see what happened that has the coach so pissed off. I know that if I really blow a call, I am expecting to take some heat for it and *may* let a coach vent a little more before taking action.


It appears that an ejection is warranted here based soley on what we see in the video, but I would like some context to the situation.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by Interested Ump

Isn't that Greek for "an umpire who tosses a pitcher halfway to the plate while runners are advancing might have an ego issue that matches his poor choice of timing an ejection"?

You don't have to take your eyes off of the play to give the good old heave-ho signal, Walter. The runners were just trotting on the ball four award anyway.


Tim.

[t-rex]

It looks to me like F1's complaint had something to do with the batter stepping into the pitch based on where he slammed his glove into the plate. I'm not sure why he thought that made a difference.

In a league ball pre-season clinic last spring, we had one of the local association trainers (Fed ball association) showing us the preferred mechanic for his association for stepping in between a coach and a fellow umpire after the ejection. The mechanic he recommended was to escort the ejector away from the ejectee so as not to escalate the situation.

This situation illustrates why this is not a good idea, and reinforces my thinking that the trainer was just plain wrong (and proves most of you guys right, from previous posts on how to deal with these situations.) By facing his fellow umpire and pushing him away, it gives the impression to everyone on the field that the umpire was the agressor. Now, in this situation, HP was one of the agressors, but BU's actions drew more attention to this fact.

Canada, I would rethink yelling at F1. Yelling or following F1 back to the mound will both make you look like the agressor, and a warning to get back to the mound is not warranted in this situation, IMO.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by GarthB

What I was hinting at was how he (BU) actually shoved the PU away from the coach and towards home.

He wouldn't be a partner of mine again.

Good God, where does one start with this one?

Pitcher? Gone. Before reaching the plate.

Manager? Gone. He's got to go for coming out and taking over the pitcher's argument.

I can't tell if the BU came in because he figured that the PU was never going to get rid of the manager or what. But I can picture some of the umpires near where I live doing just this.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

You don't have to take your eyes off of the play to give the good old heave-ho signal, Walter. The runners were just trotting on the ball four award anyway.


Tim.

The play is live. If you interrupt potential defensive actions, or offensive reactions, with an ejection, and I'm either coach, you got a real problem coming.

Me. Regardless of the the idiot pitcher who most certainly needed an ejection. At the appropriate time.

This is an ole Memphis/Atlanta baseball stunt. LHP, LHB, he's in for one B, let P get tossed inappropriately, who cares if he sits. Get everyone riled up including PU and have him become the cener of attention, emotions up, team up.

Not saying this was the case in the video but sophisticated baseball game managers know this manuever by heart. So you learn to make ejections at the right time, in the right way.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Agreed, pitcher gone at the beginning of his tantrum.

Agreed, again, Skipper gone.

F1, gone then or later? On tantrum start? With no "T"? you just screwed the pooch, you've been had. Then you toss the coach after you chased his pitcher down? You forced his hand, he had to come out on you, you're chasing his teenaged pitcher down like some crazed ape.

Who knows what you'll do next, you've already blown the ejection.