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fitump56 Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:55am

Blue Collar Umpires; Where Are The White Collared Execs?
 
Our org is a reeeeally different ump org. We recruited white collar, ex-athletes who see umpiring as an enjoyable second occupation. This is far and away outside the box.

Not going into the history of how this org emerged but the salient point that we fought with is why is it that white collar, highly educated men and women are not seen with any even modest % in the umpiring ranks?

Here is why.

1) Good Ole Boys Clubs are run by blue collar guys. They have to put up w/ WC managers, damned if they want them in their off work worlds.

2) No WC guy is going to get assignments that BC guys really need to sustain reasonable incomes and lifestyles. Let Boss take his $100K, leave us our second incomes.

3) Ump orgs are not the least bit interested (e.g MLB) in putting the best out there. If they were, they would go after the WC guys. Not that the WC guys are inherently superior umpires, but the elimination of the WC guys cuts the competition severely and the numbers of umpires is lessened = less competition.

4) WC guys tend not to be 8-5ers.

Etc etc etc

Here's what we found.

1) WC guys have no idea how to become umpires; it's a world of BC guys and they see, feel and understand they are not ever going to be "In"

2) WC guys don't need the money so they have no reason to put up with all the BS, travel, parents, etc.

3) WC guys can be arrogant pricks who have been raised, or have chosen, to distance themselves from the BC sector.

What we found:

When you cut down the st00pid income barriers, and treat everyone the same, performance, training, continuing education...thesde being the foundations required by everyone, the umpiring field is leveled. Setting specific and rigourous standards including game control, rules for ejections, safety, pay on performance...WC and BC guys dig it.

Moral?

Kick the BC mentaility out of the ump orgs, challenge the WC guys to put up or shut up, remove the socio-economic crapola, demand respect for every umpire and demand the same from each, you get the best of the best.

Regardless of race, creed, Indian heritage, age of car, Scotch vs Budweiser.

SpokaneBlue Sat Oct 27, 2007 07:56am

In the association I once belonged to (I'm currently in Germany) we have/had folks from every conceivable occupation from lawyer, university professor, active/retired military, HS teacher, realtor, insurance adjustor, etc. These are just those I can personally remember. However, NONE of this mattered once they showed up at the game site!! What mattered was how experienced they were, what they could teach their partner and whether they hustled!

jicecone Sat Oct 27, 2007 08:24am

Wouldn't it be great if we could just go through the world and hand select those people we would like to to officiate in our organizations.

I would tend to believe that most organizations are ecstatic if they have enough members to cover all the games they have. Being selective, based upon the color of their collar or any other parameter is not something organizations can enjoy.

I agree BC boys tend to run organizations like a union business hall and WC tend to run it more like a corporation stockholder meeting with pluses and minus's in each however, just remember, BC mentality may not be to your liking but there would probably not be many WC without them.

Then where would be?

Rich Sat Oct 27, 2007 09:51am

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitump56
Our org is a reeeeally different ump org. We recruited white collar, ex-athletes who see umpiring as an enjoyable second occupation. This is far and away outside the box.

Not going into the history of how this org emerged but the salient point that we fought with is why is it that white collar, highly educated men and women are not seen with any even modest % in the umpiring ranks?

Here is why.

1) Good Ole Boys Clubs are run by blue collar guys. They have to put up w/ WC managers, damned if they want them in their off work worlds.

2) No WC guy is going to get assignments that BC guys really need to sustain reasonable incomes and lifestyles. Let Boss take his $100K, leave us our second incomes.

3) Ump orgs are not the least bit interested (e.g MLB) in putting the best out there. If they were, they would go after the WC guys. Not that the WC guys are inherently superior umpires, but the elimination of the WC guys cuts the competition severely and the numbers of umpires is lessened = less competition.

4) WC guys tend not to be 8-5ers.

Etc etc etc

Here's what we found.

1) WC guys have no idea how to become umpires; it's a world of BC guys and they see, feel and understand they are not ever going to be "In"

2) WC guys don't need the money so they have no reason to put up with all the BS, travel, parents, etc.

3) WC guys can be arrogant pricks who have been raised, or have chosen, to distance themselves from the BC sector.

What we found:

When you cut down the st00pid income barriers, and treat everyone the same, performance, training, continuing education...thesde being the foundations required by everyone, the umpiring field is leveled. Setting specific and rigourous standards including game control, rules for ejections, safety, pay on performance...WC and BC guys dig it.

Moral?

Kick the BC mentaility out of the ump orgs, challenge the WC guys to put up or shut up, remove the socio-economic crapola, demand respect for every umpire and demand the same from each, you get the best of the best.

Regardless of race, creed, Indian heritage, age of car, Scotch vs Budweiser.

I'm a WC guy and I've been officiating for over 20 years. The baseball list I help run has 2 lawyers, 2 doctors, and a high ranking VP for one of the "name" banks in the world. And that's just off the top of my head.

SanDiegoSteve Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:06am

My former association has several top level surgeons and other doctors within its membership, none of whom are actually good enough to umpire JV Tiddlywinks, yet they get all the plum assignments and top playoff games. I wouldn't want these guys doing my LL Majors game, let alone important Varsity games, but their "collar" gives them clout within the organization.

GarthB Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:37am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
My former association has several top level surgeons and other doctors within its membership, none of whom are actually good enough to umpire JV Tiddlywinks, yet they get all the plum assignments and top playoff games. I wouldn't want these guys doing my LL Majors game, let alone important Varsity games, but their "collar" gives them clout within the organization.


Our association has lawyers, doctors, nurses, teachers, college professors, bank executives, business owners, law enforcement personnel, professional umpires, plumbers, salespeople, students, contractors and military. There are excellent in each category.

We do not find that umpiring skill is necessarily day-job related.

SanDiegoSteve Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by GarthB
We do not find that umpiring skill is necessarily day-job related.

That was more or less my point, which was to refute the idea that white collar workers made superior umpires in comparison to blue collar folks. This was the gist is what the original poster was intimating. His post broke my BS meter and now I have to take it into the shop for repair.:)

kylejt Sat Oct 27, 2007 02:02pm

If you're seeking WC umpires, look no further than your local Little League organization. I've got a bank president, airline pilot, and lots of "suits" volunteering as pretty decent umpires. These folks don't do it for the money, yet go through a lot of training, buy the best gear, and are sharper then most local association umpires. Here in SoCal, most LL guys go through the one week school in San Bernadino.

In my area Joe Lunchbox works for the association, gets little or no training, fifty bucks for a Pony game, and gets yelled at a lot. On the other hand the LL suits get lots of training, perhaps even a Desert Classic or the one week, and are motivated not by the dollar, but to do better.

GarthB Sat Oct 27, 2007 03:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
That was more or less my point, which was to refute the idea that white collar workers made superior umpires in comparison to blue collar folks. This was the gist is what the original poster was intimating. His post broke my BS meter and now I have to take it into the shop for repair.:)


Sorry, I didn't read the original post. The author is on my ignore list. I read your post and it appeared you were saying "white collar" workers do not umpire as well as others.

GarthB Sat Oct 27, 2007 03:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by kylejt
If you're seeking WC umpires, look no further than your local Little League organization. I've got a bank president, airline pilot, and lots of "suits" volunteering as pretty decent umpires. These folks don't do it for the money, yet go through a lot of training, buy the best gear, and are sharper then most local association umpires. Here in SoCal, most LL guys go through the one week school in San Bernadino.

In my area Joe Lunchbox works for the association, gets little or no training, fifty bucks for a Pony game, and gets yelled at a lot. On the other hand the LL suits get lots of training, perhaps even a Desert Classic or the one week, and are motivated not by the dollar, but to do better.


This varies drastically by region. Here, the typical LL umpire shows up in jeans or shorts with shinguards on the outside, a blue shirt of some kind, and a baseball cap on backwards. He doesn't flinch, he actually backs up three steps with ever pitch and calls plays on all bases from behind the catcher.

Here it is the association members who take in the camps, clinics, proschools and local mechanics training sessions and work to move up.

gordon30307 Sat Oct 27, 2007 06:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitump56
Our org is a reeeeally different ump org. We recruited white collar, ex-athletes who see umpiring as an enjoyable second occupation. This is far and away outside the box.

Not going into the history of how this org emerged but the salient point that we fought with is why is it that white collar, highly educated men and women are not seen with any even modest % in the umpiring ranks?

Here is why.

1) Good Ole Boys Clubs are run by blue collar guys. They have to put up w/ WC managers, damned if they want them in their off work worlds.

2) No WC guy is going to get assignments that BC guys really need to sustain reasonable incomes and lifestyles. Let Boss take his $100K, leave us our second incomes.

3) Ump orgs are not the least bit interested (e.g MLB) in putting the best out there. If they were, they would go after the WC guys. Not that the WC guys are inherently superior umpires, but the elimination of the WC guys cuts the competition severely and the numbers of umpires is lessened = less competition.

4) WC guys tend not to be 8-5ers.

Etc etc etc

Here's what we found.

1) WC guys have no idea how to become umpires; it's a world of BC guys and they see, feel and understand they are not ever going to be "In"

2) WC guys don't need the money so they have no reason to put up with all the BS, travel, parents, etc.

3) WC guys can be arrogant pricks who have been raised, or have chosen, to distance themselves from the BC sector.

What we found:

When you cut down the st00pid income barriers, and treat everyone the same, performance, training, continuing education...thesde being the foundations required by everyone, the umpiring field is leveled. Setting specific and rigourous standards including game control, rules for ejections, safety, pay on performance...WC and BC guys dig it.

Moral?

Kick the BC mentaility out of the ump orgs, challenge the WC guys to put up or shut up, remove the socio-economic crapola, demand respect for every umpire and demand the same from each, you get the best of the best.

Regardless of race, creed, Indian heritage, age of car, Scotch vs Budweiser.

I've never seen so many gross generalizations in one spot.

Cub42 Sat Oct 27, 2007 09:02pm

Well put. I hope you don't discount my opinion because of my occupation!

jimpiano Sun Oct 28, 2007 01:19am

Is there a point to this thread?

fitump56 Sun Oct 28, 2007 02:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpokaneBlue
In the association I once belonged to (I'm currently in Germany) we have/had folks from every conceivable occupation from lawyer, university professor, active/retired military, HS teacher, realtor, insurance adjustor, etc. These are just those I can personally remember. However, NONE of this mattered once they showed up at the game site!! What mattered was how experienced they were, what they could teach their partner and whether they hustled!

All that matters, proof in performance. :) Calling any ball in Germany?

fitump56 Sun Oct 28, 2007 02:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN
I'm a WC guy and I've been officiating for over 20 years. The baseball list I help run has 2 lawyers, 2 doctors, and a high ranking VP for one of the "name" banks in the world. And that's just off the top of my head.

Cool beans. 5 out of how many? 50, 100, 200? Exceptions make the rule?

fitump56 Sun Oct 28, 2007 02:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cub42
Well put. I hope you don't discount my opinion because of my occupation!

That's the whole point. When you "strap up" as we used to say on the football field, you best bring your game not yor wallet.

fitump56 Sun Oct 28, 2007 02:44am

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimpiano
Is there a point to this thread?

:D Yes and this is what it looks like

http://www.flixxy.com/boeing-jet-lan...st-maarten.htm

flying right over your point, er, head.

D00D, I was so ready for you. :D

fitump56 Sun Oct 28, 2007 03:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by GarthB
Sorry, I didn't read the original post. The author is on my ignore list.

Blue collar mentality at full bloom. Anything that is new, original, or challenges you, you want no part of. Garthie, you are exactly what is wrong with amateur umpring. old Gurad ostriches.

I read your (SteveSanDiegoSups) post and it appeared he was saying "white collar" workers do not umpire as well as others.[/quote]

Generaaly, I would say he is correct. WC guys don't have the field time, financial interests or the drive to be better.

Or the ump orgs that will support them. Ring a cowbell? Moo?

Income has little to nothing to do with ump efficiiency. Can a case be made that upper income WC guys are smarter. Given fact. Better umpires? Given and historically NO. Potentially better umpires with their "superior" educations, WC backgrounds, all that jazz? Probably.

If brains were the best determinant, then we would need to recruit physicists. Brains are only a part. Probably not the most important part either.

Good umpires coem from experience, a drive to be as good as they can be. A self-motivation that begins with the refusal to be anything less than they can be.

Income has nothing, nothing to do with guts, determination, mental toughness and fight or, imo, most importantly, self-esteem and slef-judgment, self-appraisal.

SanDiegoSteve Sun Oct 28, 2007 04:55am

Quote:

Originally Posted by unfitmother56
:) I read your (SteveSanDiegoSups) post and it appeared he was saying "white collar" workers do not umpire as well as others.

I did not say "white collar" workers, I said these certain doctors were not good umpires. There are many doctors who are fine officials. I believe that you were making a case that all things being equal, "white collar" umpires were better than "blue collar" umpires. Your obvious disdain for the "lowly" blue collar man (and the "BC mentality" as you put it) is evident in your words.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitump56
Can a case be made that upper income WC guys are smarter. Given fact.

Not necessarily. I have worn both collars in my prior employment. Some very smart people (my I.Q. happens to be a meager 143) do not enjoy the corporate life. I prefer making custom golf clubs, for example. Plus, I have nearly completed my studies at a prestigious computer college here in San Diego and will graduate Magna Cum Laude in March with a degree in Computer Graphic Design. I plan to pursue a new career in this field.

The point is that there are some very intelligent plumbers and electricians out there to go along with the doctors and lawyers. Sweeping generalizations such as the one's you made in your opening salvo demonstrate that such assumptions aren't always the case.


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