Rockies/D-Backs...Willful and Deliberate Interference?
 

Thoughts?

An excellent call.

Idiot fans.

Go call.

Peace

Easy cheesy. Nice call.

Stupid fans...delaying the game...

Good call. And one of the announcers just said, correctly, that "there was a time when you could do that rolling block—but not any more."

It's too obvious to be a "good" call. Correct, but nothing special.

You can't expect your basic fan, especially the dopey Arizona sheep who can't even sell out a playoff game until minutes before the game, to know this rule. Thus their stupidity spilled forth on the field. Next time, close the dome, and turn on the A/C.

Speaking of fans, I've heard through the grapevine that many of the people who went to Phoenix for the annual NABA/MSBL tournament lately have been having their hotel reservations cancelled due to the playoff and room availability. Some scrabbling has been in the works and when they do find accomodations, they cost above the rate they were going for originally. Reservations for the airlines and rental cars are also in a mess. Unfortunately, they are ones buying the remaining available tickets.

I have very little informantion, I just getting complains from people who went.
I have no idea how much the chaos is really truthful.

Even the Barrett-Jackson auction is coming and creating havoc.

Those NAMBLA guys should have their reservations canceled. Freaks.


-Emily Litella

No, Emily, it's "NABA," not "NAMBLA"...it's just an adult baseball league.


-Chevy Chase

Oh.




Never mind.

It was a good call but my question?

Is MLB turning into FED?

This year alone we have had 3 Intentional Interference calls resulting in a DP.

Personally I cannot remember any during the past decade or so.

I realize baseball is not football but why the sudden adherence to the rule. It appears MLB is leaning in the direction of FED/NCAA.

A rolling cross body block at either F4/F6 used to be the accepted practice. Now at least in the judgement of one umpire it is Intentional Interference.

Peraps we will get that re-write of OBR in the near future.

Bottom Line: Good call but as mentioned something that hasn't been called in MLB until this year.

Pete Booth

Here we go again with idiot announcers:

Implications to date:

Di/Rock - The Rockies are still in the playoff because of McCleeland, our home plate umpire tonight.

Ron Darling - Concerning the Int. call at second. "I just wish the umpires would let the players decide the game."

That's because when Ron Darling played, the play at second was what the runner was supposed to do and no interference was called.

This year alone we have had 3 Intentional Interfernce calls and as I mentioned above I cannot remember the last time in MLB Intentional Interference was called.

We will wait and see if this is addressed after this year.

Pete Booth

I agree, but you would think that after one or two calls if MLB did not want it enforced they would have past it down to the officials.

Then again, maybe that is only my warped logic of how things should be done. Sorry!

The only thing wrong with that call is that Clint Hurdle had to come out afterwards & remind them to return the runner (R2 at start of the play) from 3B to 2B.

JM

I guess if you call that being wrong...I would like to call it "working as a crew" but that's just me.

Watch highlight films of games from the 1940s and 1950s and you won't have to wait long to see non-calls on plays far more obvious even than the one last night. Runners grab fielders' arms, crash fielders 15 feet out of the baseline, stay on their feet and collide past 2B, "slide" into the fielder without even touching the ground. I suspect that if a runner didn't do at least a rolling block, he'd get chewed out by his manager.

I don't know what a runner would have had to do to get called for interference in the old days. It would be interesting to know how often 7.09(f) was invoked (if it ever was). I wonder if Cobb was ever called for it.

Justin Upton claims it was merely a pop-up slide:

"I told him [the umpire] I was close enough to the bag," Upton said. "When I slide, I put one hand down, and then I pop up. That's what you're supposed to do."

Right, Justin.

I'd call it a goof by U2 and/or U3. One of them should have been on this right away. It's U2's runner, but U3 should have covered him on it. Neither caught it. So yeah, they were wrong. Again, this wasn't such a great call, just a correct one, followed by a miscue. When the manager has to come on the field and point out a basic rule, then I'd stop calling it a "GREAT CALL!". I'm guessing if the runner were put back right away you wouldn't have crap thrown on the field. But they had to conference on this one, and that fanned the flames. Umpiring 101 guys, and they only got a 50%.

The player DID DECIDE the game--he commited clear and blatant interferance and killed his own teams rally!!

Would you allow a player to bounce the ball in and out of his glove before declaring a catch or touch of the ball, allowing a base-runner to tag up and run? The rule used to be that way. Just as the Jackie Robinson rule was put in place for interference on a runner. The man was smart and knew the rule of his day. The game is evolving still to this day. It was gross interference in my minds eyes, I yelled it out before I saw he called it. Had he slid directly into the pivot man, he would have got away with it. He didn't, as the replay clearly showed it. Good call.

For decades in Pro ball players have been "taking care of" those players who committed such "unacceptable acts" against other players. Now the umpires have stepped in and potentially opened a Pandora's Box. I can see coaches coming out regularly asking "Why wasn't THAT one called?", when in the past an offender would get plunked or buzzed and that was that. Point made.
Of course, if the umpires call this kind of play, maybe fewer players will get plunked and that may solve the bigger problem of umpires having to break up brawls and the Commissioner having to mete out suspensions. Double edged sword, would you say? Which is the lesser of the two evils?

JJ

I vote for the enforcing the rules as they are written in the book. Somehow I don't see that as evil at all. In fact, if you umpire at any other level than MLB, that call made our lives a whole lot easier.

Who has a lease on "the two evils"?

I think you mean "lesser".

Oh no! The spelling and grammar police are back! Quick everyone hide!

[QUOTE]I agree "pandora's box" could be opening. For years MLB was called a certain way regardless of what the actual written rule said ie; Balks

We saw what happened many years ago when Major League Baseball Umpires called the balk in line with the book definition. The Players Union got involved and things went back to normal.

If the "powers that be" instructed umpires to start calling the game the way the rules are written does that mean:

1. No more calling the neigborhood play
2. Phatom tag a thing of the past
3. No more "freebies" for players like Biggio who hung there arms out to purposely get hit and get a free ride.
4. Tell the players to "take off the body armor"

Now as you mentioned whenever there is a hard slide at second base, the manager is going to request time and ask the umpire why he didn't record 2 outs.

If major league baseball wants the umpires to call the game the way the rules are written then IMO, you cannot "pick and choose" which ones will follow suit.

My gut is that after this year the Players Union will get involved especially now that we have seen an automatic DP called in a playoff game.

I am not saying I did not agree with the call I am saying that it is surprsing to see it called in a major league baseball game. 3 in one year is probably a record.

Pete Booth

Would you allow a player to bounce the ball in and out of his glove before declaring a catch or touch of the ball, allowing a base-runner to tag up and run? The rule used to be that way. Just as the Jackie Robinson rule was put in place for interference on a runner. The man was smart and knew the rule of his day. The game is evolving still to this day. It was gross interference in my minds eyes, I yelled it out before I saw he called it. Had he slid directly into the pivot man, he would have got away with it. He didn't, as the replay clearly showed it. Good call.

I wasn't in any way claiming that INT should not have been called or that MLB should revert to a previous practice. I was simply supporting my previous post, in which I said the umpire made a good call and that runners can no longer get away with what they used to.

As long as we're discussing lessors of evils. The mind's eye is the imagination.

3 in one year is probably a record.

This call is the fourth since June, I think.

Pete, on the way home after a baseball game at West Point in 1965, our team ate at the Newburgh diner. Is it still there?

Hey, i got it Kyle.

Nice South Park reference :p :D

Really? It was a Saturday Night Live reference last I checked.:confused:

the rule that you are thinking was enforced is not correct. the rule that was enforced was that the batter-runner was called out because interference was committed by a runner already out- - not because of willful and deliberate interference by a runner.

I'm not sure of your point. I mentioned 7.09(f), which says nothing about willful and deliberate interference, which is in 7.09(g) with regard to batted balls. Nor did I mention willful and deliberate interference in my posts. The examples I gave of what runners used to get away with are violations of 7.09(f), as you say, interference by a runner already out. It's true that the examples might also be willful and deliberate, but those violations fall under 7.09(f).

Greymule and tkaufman,

The rules are slightly different now, and the letter sequencing of 7.09(?) has been affected. My OBR rulebook, published in 2003, has several paragraphs shifted one letter as compared to the rules as available on MLB.com today.

Old 7.09(f) reads "Any batter or runner.....". In the newer version of the rules, that is rule7.09(e). And the same offset applies to (f) and (g). So at least part of the contention is trivially explained.

MLB.com now has the rules in PDF format, and they are convenient to use and search. Greymule, I recommend that you use these rules rather than older books.

[QUOTE=tkaufman
you are correct that 7.09 (g) also refers to willful and deliberate, except with regards to the b/r. i was just pointing out that these two rules (7.09 (f,g)) were not put into place until the 1950's because of the cheating jackie robinson.[/QUOTE]

Care to be more forthcoming on the "cheating" Robinson statements?

I can't find the entire MLB rule book in PDF format. Can you give me a link?

I did however find these handy dandy 2007 MLB rules changes in PDF. Here is this link:

http://mlb.mlb.com/pressbox/download...ges_021607.pdf

Greymule, I recommend that you use these rules rather than older books.

Yes, I'm using a 2001 book. That's where the problem lies. I should know better.

After my game today, I'm going to stop by Borders and use my discount coupon to get a new book.

Never seen it on SNL, but south park had a whole episode called "Cartman Joins NAMBLA." The whole conflict in the episode was between the "North American Man-Boy Love Association" (NAMBLA) and the "North American Marlon Brando Look-Alikes" (NAMBLA). One of my favorite episodes

I suggest we raise money to send the NAMBLA people on a sightseeing tour of Iran.

"The Godfather Meets The Shah"

Screw you guys, I'm goin' home.

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Well, at MLB.com under "Official Info" near the bottom of the page is a link entitled Official Rules. That works. Or you can use this link http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info...s/foreword.jsp
There are 11 separate PDF files, one for each section and an index.

Yes that was a good episode. However, kyplejt credited Emily Litella, a SNL character, with the quote.

Oh, they changed them. Thanks. More crap to clutter up my desktop even further.:)

That's great...having these in pdf is really nice.