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JJ Thu Oct 11, 2007 09:21am

NCAA and now FED Obstruction
 
In NCAA it is considered obstruction if you block a basepath without the ball and impede the runner. The same is now true in FED. Here's the play for you to rule on:

B1 hits a ground ball to F5. He fields it and throws wildly to the home plate side of first base. F3 jumps for the ball - which goes over his glove - into the path of B1 and they collide. Obstruction? Live ball or dead ball? What about other runners (if any)?

JJ

johnSandlin Thu Oct 11, 2007 09:25am

I am going to pass on calling obstruction because the catcher got pulled because of the bad throw.

You can't punish the catcher for a bad throw.

I say live ball and play on.

UmpLarryJohnson Thu Oct 11, 2007 09:27am

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Originally Posted by JJ
The same is now true in FED.

seriously?? is this a change for '08??

bob jenkins Thu Oct 11, 2007 09:56am

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Originally Posted by UmpLarryJohnson
seriously?? is this a change for '08??

Yes. Try to keep up. The changes (or at least a press release about them) are on the NFHS web-site.

I'd just have a train wreck in NCAA. I'd like to rule the same way in FED, but according to RefMag (and I know they aren't official, and there are often errors in each issue), it's obstruction under the new FED rule.

MD Longhorn Thu Oct 11, 2007 09:57am

This is obstruction.

UmpLarryJohnson Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:16am

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder
This is obstruction.

well now i guess it is :rolleyes:

mbyron Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:16am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
I'd just have a train wreck in NCAA. I'd like to rule the same way in FED, but according to RefMag (and I know they aren't official, and there are often errors in each issue), it's obstruction under the new FED rule.

Assuming the overthrow remains in play, what's your award?

ozzy6900 Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:19am

Viewing the new FED rule "as written", this would be obstruction. However, I want to see some official case book interpretations on this type of play.

Regards

bob jenkins Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:23am

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Originally Posted by mbyron
Assuming the overthrow remains in play, what's your award?

And assuming RefMag was correct, it depends on what happens next, but at least one base -- just like all FED obstruction. Since this happened before BR reached first, the "minimum award" is first.

ggk Thu Oct 11, 2007 01:48pm

is a FED source cited in Ref Mag?? is this the official interp? if so, this is ridiculous.

this should be a no call - trainwreck

mbyron Thu Oct 11, 2007 02:06pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
And assuming RefMag was correct, it depends on what happens next, but at least one base -- just like all FED obstruction. Since this happened before BR reached first, the "minimum award" is first.

Good, that's what I was thinking, too.

Interested Ump Thu Oct 11, 2007 02:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ
In NCAA it is considered obstruction if you block a basepath without the ball and impede the runner. The same is now true in FED. Here's the play for you to rule on:

B1 hits a ground ball to F5. He fields it and throws wildly to the home plate side of first base. F3 jumps for the ball - which goes over his glove - into the path of B1 and they collide. Obstruction? Live ball or dead ball? What about other runners (if any)?

JJ

Did F3 have the ball? No
Did he block the basepath? Yes
OBS.

FED - live ball
Other Rs, advance at will.
Award 2B? Probably

bob jenkins Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ggk
is a FED source cited in Ref Mag?? is this the official interp? if so, this is ridiculous.

this should be a no call - trainwreck

They cited some FED rules guy -- Kanaby or Hopkins, iirc..

JJ Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:47pm

I've got an email in to Eliott Hopkins to ask for an "official" interp. When it comes I'll pass it along.

I didn't think the NFHS had an online rulebook, even if you were an NFHS member. Guess I'll have to investigate this one, too!

JJ

GarthB Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:51pm

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Originally Posted by JJ
I've got an email in to Eliott Hopkins to ask for an "official" interp. When it comes I'll pass it along.

JJ

This should be interesting. In previous years Elliot has repsonded to such questions by referring the questioner to his/her state interpreter. National
spoke only with state clinicians.

Let us know how this goes.


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