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PeteBooth Wed Oct 10, 2007 08:37am
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I find it utterly ridiculous in your comments about professional standards and the MLB Umpires not being up to them. Just wondering how many games you have done iinfront of 50,000 people and every available angle covered by TV. Not to mention the speed of the game.There is always going to be the human element in the game. But what ever your personal feelings toward them, they are the best at what they do, and they are there based on their ability.There are a lot of guys on this site that are in AA or AAA. Ask them the difference in the game as they move up each level. Then think about your comments the next time you are out on the field working what ever level you work.
Football officials have done games in front of way more than 50,000 people in attendance and
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they are the best at what they do,
, yet the NFL and NCAA has Replay

You said it yourself it's because of the speed of the game.

There is always going to be the human element in the game, but if the ball is truly not a HR or vice versa and there is technology to correct it why not use it.

IMO, it's a Cop out. As mentioned Football / Basketball Officials are the best at what they do but Replay is used. IMO baseball should be no different.

Pete Booth

GarthB Wed Oct 10, 2007 08:54am
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IMO baseball should be no different.

Pete Booth
Ahhhh, but it is. And for many, that's part of its charm.

jimpiano Wed Oct 10, 2007 09:45am
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Football officials have done games in front of way more than 50,000 people in attendance and , yet the NFL and NCAA has Replay

You said it yourself it's because of the speed of the game.

There is always going to be the human element in the game, but if the ball is truly not a HR or vice versa and there is technology to correct it why not use it.

IMO, it's a Cop out. As mentioned Football / Basketball Officials are the best at what they do but Replay is used. IMO baseball should be no different.

Pete Booth
Then I assume you have no problem with replacing the home plate umpire's duties of calling ball and strikes by using the computer, instead?

After all, MLB has the technology to get every call right, and there would be no delay in the game.

PeteBooth Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:22am
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Then I assume you have no problem with replacing the home plate umpire's duties of calling ball and strikes by using the computer, instead?

After all, MLB has the technology to get every call right, and there would be no delay in the game.
No one at least not I is talking about balls / strikes. According to Bud every Park next year will have queztech in which to evaluate the Home plate umpire.

I am talking about a BIG play ala a HR which IMO is where MLB should FIRST address the replay issue. It's similar to a TD pass in football which is a BIG play.

As far as the "other" type plays that area would be phased in. Perhaps a challenge type system which the NFL has or something along those lines. The BIG question to address would be what type of penalty would you give the manager if his challenge is unsuccessful.

Replay doesn't seem to affect the integrity of the Football officials so why should it effect major league baseball umpires.

Bottom Line: The ONLY area that baseball will probably adopt Replay is on Fair / Foul on a HR or whether or not the ball is truly a HR or book rule double. Also, if a FAN interfered with ball in the field of play or not.


Pete Booth

JRutledge Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:24am
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IMO, it's a Cop out. As mentioned Football / Basketball Officials are the best at what they do but Replay is used. IMO baseball should be no different.

Pete Booth
Basketball and Football are very different. And everything in both sports is not reviewable. In basketball they do not review fouls and violations. And if there was replay in baseball, I doubt this play would be reviewed and it was not conclusive either.

Peace

jimpiano Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:38am
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Originally Posted by PeteBooth
No one at least not I is talking about balls / strikes. According to Bud every Park next year will have queztech in which to evaluate the Home plate umpire.

I am talking about a BIG play ala a HR which IMO is where MLB should FIRST address the replay issue. It's similar to a TD pass in football which is a BIG play.

As far as the "other" type plays that area would be phased in. Perhaps a challenge type system which the NFL has or something along those lines. The BIG question to address would be what type of penalty would you give the manager if his challenge is unsuccessful.

Replay doesn't seem to affect the integrity of the Football officials so why should it effect major league baseball umpires.



Bottom Line: The ONLY area that baseball will probably adopt Replay is on Fair / Foul on a HR or whether or not the ball is truly a HR or book rule double. Also, if a FAN interfered with ball in the field of play or not.

Pete Booth
If you refuse to use the technology that exists to be error free in calling balls and strikes, why use it anywhere else? Nothing happens without a pitcher and a batter and if there is not a consistent strike zone then someone is getting hosed.

Only a few games have disputed home runs and fan intereference, but every game has disputes about balls and strikes.

GarthB Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by PeteBooth
No one at least not I is talking about balls / strikes. According to Bud every Park next year will have queztech in which to evaluate the Home plate umpire.

I am talking about a BIG play ala a HR which IMO is where MLB should FIRST address the replay issue. It's similar to a TD pass in football which is a BIG play.

As far as the "other" type plays that area would be phased in. Perhaps a challenge type system which the NFL has or something along those lines. The BIG question to address would be what type of penalty would you give the manager if his challenge is unsuccessful.

Replay doesn't seem to affect the integrity of the Football officials so why should it effect major league baseball umpires.

Bottom Line: The ONLY area that baseball will probably adopt Replay is on Fair / Foul on a HR or whether or not the ball is truly a HR or book rule double. Also, if a FAN interfered with ball in the field of play or not.


Pete Booth
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Interested Ump Wed Oct 10, 2007 02:29pm
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But, in the interest of never making a mistake, let's turn the game over to technology.Let's start with the strike zone and <snipped>
Reflexive, overexaggerative response, no reply to it needed.

The plain facts are that MLB has plays where the correct call could be made with an instant replay/review and MLB refuses to implement the technologies.

Interested Ump Wed Oct 10, 2007 02:37pm
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Originally Posted by Cub42
I find it utterly ridiculous in your comments about professional standards and the MLB Umpires not being up to them. Just wondering how many games you have done iinfront of 50,000 people and every available angle covered by TV.
As many as you have. I suppose that means we shouldn't speak this subject then?

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Not to mention the speed of the game.There is always going to be the human element in the game. But what ever your personal feelings toward them, they are the best at what they do, and they are there based on their ability.

Absolutely, unequivocally not. The ascension to MLB umpire is not solely performance based by any review imaginable.

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There are a lot of guys on this site that are in AA or AAA. Ask them the difference in the game as they move up each level. Then think about your comments the next time you are out on the field working what ever level you work.
90% is under 35 adult baseball comprised of former talented HS, collegiate, minor and major league players. Many of the umpires are former A, AA, AAA, D1 and HS. To a one, we agree on the lack of professional qualities in MLB umpires especially when compared to other sports, futbol in particular.

The most glaring example is the complete disregard for the continued testing and associated courseware that is not required to keep their MLB status.

Interested Ump Wed Oct 10, 2007 02:42pm
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Originally Posted by PeteBooth
No one at least not I is talking about balls / strikes. According to Bud every Park next year will have queztech in which to evaluate the Home plate umpire.

I am talking about a BIG play ala a HR which IMO is where MLB should FIRST address the replay issue. It's similar to a TD pass in football which is a BIG play.

As far as the "other" type plays that area would be phased in. Perhaps a challenge type system which the NFL has or something along those lines. The BIG question to address would be what type of penalty would you give the manager if his challenge is unsuccessful.
None. Just limit the challenges.

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Replay doesn't seem to affect the integrity of the Football officials so why should it effect major league baseball umpires.

Bottom Line: The ONLY area that baseball will probably adopt Replay is on Fair / Foul on a HR or whether or not the ball is truly a HR or book rule double. Also, if a FAN interfered with ball in the field of play or not.


Pete Booth
I see the possibilities on a catch/no catch scenario. Wouldn't it be great if a BU could make a call on a diving fly ball then huddle with PU to see if a request to review is appropriate (catch no catch)?

Interested Ump Wed Oct 10, 2007 02:50pm
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Originally Posted by jimpiano
If you refuse to use the technology that exists to be error free in calling balls and strikes, why use it anywhere else? Nothing happens without a pitcher and a batter and if there is not a consistent strike zone then someone is getting hosed.
All or nothing? :D No need for that.

jimpiano Wed Oct 10, 2007 04:37pm
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Reflexive, overexaggerative response, no reply to it needed.

The plain facts are that MLB has plays where the correct call could be made with an instant replay/review and MLB refuses to implement the technologies.
And there are plenty of other plays where instant replay is of no value.
The Padres/Rockies the most recent and obvious.

So you are left with the umpires.

And they are pretty damn good.

DG Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:42pm
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Larry, unfortunately I am a MET Fan not a Yankee fan. I was rooting for the Indians.
Met's, Yankees, either way you would be dissapointed. However, the Mets losing the lead they had is historic and a bigger deal than the Yankees coming from a way back W-L record to make the playoffs.

I guess George will fire Joe and hire Willie (another Yankee) and that will make no sense at all.

SanDiegoSteve Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:38am
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And there are plenty of other plays where instant replay is of no value.
The Padres/Rockies the most recent and obvious.

So you are left with the umpires.

And they are pretty damn good.
Not to mention that if they replaced the umpires with machines they would be smashed with baseball bats inside a week.

I would like to see how technology ejects angry managers.:confused:

Rich Ives Thu Oct 11, 2007 02:20pm
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I guess George will fire Joe and hire Willie (another Yankee) and that will make no sense at all.
Willie just doesn't look "right" in a Mets uniform anyhow.


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