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Bassman Thu Sep 27, 2007 04:47pm
Beckon or Point (to commence play)??
 
I was just curious I've seen umpires either:

Point to the pitcher to commence play


or


Beckon to the pitcher.


Which mechanic do you use and are there league/association specific rules regarding either/or??

505 ump Thu Sep 27, 2007 05:05pm
point
 
A crisp point and a clear "PLAY"

bobbybanaduck Thu Sep 27, 2007 06:07pm
are there actually people out there that TEACH people to "beckon" to start play????

SanDiegoSteve Thu Sep 27, 2007 06:25pm
Beckoning looks wussy. Whatever FED genius came up with that monstrosity of a signal should be castrated.

Bassman Thu Sep 27, 2007 06:26pm
Tell that to MLB #36. He still beckons ;)

Bassman Thu Sep 27, 2007 06:27pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
Beckoning looks wussy. Whatever FED genius came up with that monstrosity of a signal should be castrated.
Agreed! ASA also requires the same mechanic.

bobbybanaduck Thu Sep 27, 2007 06:53pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bassman
Tell that to MLB #36. He still beckons ;)
when you're as good as mcclelland you go ahead and do whatever you damn well please.

RPatrino Thu Sep 27, 2007 07:18pm
So, whats the 'point'?

ozzy6900 Thu Sep 27, 2007 07:25pm
The old FED mechanic was to beckon. Finally in 2007, the FED came up to speed. Personally, I never beckoned in over 25 years - I always point.

That's the point to it all!

JRutledge Thu Sep 27, 2007 07:40pm
I have always pointed.

Peace

briancurtin Thu Sep 27, 2007 07:41pm
always point

Bassman Thu Sep 27, 2007 08:00pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by RPatrino
So, whats the 'point'?
It was simply something I was curious about, that's all.

LomUmp Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:32pm
Hey all,

Point.

LomUmp:cool:

fitump56 Fri Sep 28, 2007 02:48am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bassman
I was just curious I've seen umpires either:

Point to the pitcher to commence play or beckon to the pitcher.
Beckon. No matter how long P sees it, they never abuse by mount and throw

tcblue13 Fri Sep 28, 2007 08:06am
a Little OT
I was doing a Little League FP game and F1 whipped a pitch before I pointed. I immediately called NO PITCH and then informed her to wait until I gave her the finger to start an inning. The parents were rolling.:D

SanDiegoSteve Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:01am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bassman
Tell that to MLB #36. He still beckons ;)
McClelland does several bizarre things besides beckoning. He has always been a strange looking umpire.

sri8527 Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:13am
just curious guys, i hold up my hand, point, and say loud enough for batter and catcher too here, say play, if the pitcher starts before i am ready, i step out, call no pitch, and explain it quickly and quitely too him. the next few times i say ''play'' a little louder until i think he has "the system" figured out.

steve

PeteBooth Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:24am
Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bassman
I was just curious I've seen umpires either:

Point to the pitcher to commence play


or


Beckon to the pitcher.


Which mechanic do you use and are there league/association specific rules regarding either/or??
IMO, the more important issues is this:

Do you "put the ball back in play" (whether you Beckon or point) after EVERY stoppage of play.

Example:

We have R1,

B1 Fouls off pitch after pitch etc.

Do you put the ball back into play ater each foul ball?

IMO, this is extremely important because the BU "could be left out to dry" if the PU doesn't put the ball back into play and then F1 picks off R1.

In Summary: To start the game the point is moot as to whether you "beckon F1" or point

The real issue is to make certain that the ball is put back into play whenever we have a stoppage otherwise Holy H*** can break loose.

Pete Booth

Ump29 Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:05pm
Always point and yes after every stoppage.

UmpLarryJohnson Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:08pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bassman
It was simply something I was curious about, that's all.

for your followup-- do most "raft" wearers beckon or point??

Bassman Fri Sep 28, 2007 04:19pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by UmpLarryJohnson
for your followup-- do most "raft" wearers beckon or point??
I haven't the foggiest :D

fitump56 Fri Sep 28, 2007 09:30pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteBooth
IMO, the more important issues is this:

Do you "put the ball back in play" (whether you Beckon or point) after EVERY stoppage of play.

Example:

We have R1,

B1 Fouls off pitch after pitch etc.

Do you put the ball back into play ater each foul ball?

IMO, this is extremely important because the BU "could be left out to dry" if the PU doesn't put the ball back into play and then F1 picks off R1.

In Summary: To start the game the point is moot as to whether you "beckon F1" or point

The real issue is to make certain that the ball is put back into play whenever we have a stoppage otherwise Holy H*** can break loose.

Pete Booth
Right on, Pete, stoppage is the real consideration. Not all this garbage about subjective style points and the "Be Like Each Other" mentality.

fitump56 Fri Sep 28, 2007 09:32pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by sri8527
just curious guys, i hold up my hand, point, and say loud enough for batter and catcher too here, say play, if the pitcher starts before i am ready, i step out, call no pitch, and explain it quickly and quitely too him. the next few times i say ''play'' a little louder until i think he has "the system" figured out.

steve
Good commo, Steve, showing that you understand the rythym of the game.


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